New technology to find lost divers

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devolution365

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Didn't know where to post this or if it's been discussed before, but I found it interesting...

Reflections on sea rescue

Finding people lost at sea could soon be lot easier, thanks to work done for the US air force by an inventor in Stamford, Connecticut, US. Although Gerald Falbel's patent was filed to help search for downed military pilots, it can be used equally well for finding shipwrecked sailors or airline passengers in life-rafts.

The downed pilot wears a helmet that carries a large glass hemisphere, similar to a camera fisheye lens, on the top. This sits over a reflector, which catches light from every direction and reflects it back in the direction it came from – much like a cats-eye road marker.

A spotter plane flying high over the rescue area – at about 10,000 feet – sweeps a laser beam across the water, say East to West. It then rapidly retraces the beam's path, before starting a new sweep slightly to the North. Each sweep takes just 1 second, meaning a path tens of miles long can be scanned in just a few minutes.

If the beam hits a cats-eye helmet it bounces straight back, to be registered by a camera sensor and recorded as a hit. Although there will inevitably be false reflections, from stones or water glints, they will not show up from the same place on a retraced beam sweep, so can be safely ignored.

The laser is also pulsed to help the sensor distinguish a genuine hit from reflected sunlight – sunlight has no pulses.

More detail on the high-speed air sea search system is available via the link below.

From: http://www.newscientist.com.nyud.net:8090/article.ns?id=dn8208
 
I guess I could be skeptical or whatever.. but if it was my loved one that was missing, I'd push for anything.. be it psychic super powers or marsian space-age gadgetry.
 
I want new technology to find the boat when I lose IT.:D

Particularly when you navigate perfectly back to where the anchor WAS and the boat is missing because the anchor came loose and it got blown off the pinnacle.
 
This approach seems a bit hokey to me. The size, position, cleanliness (sea water/debris contents), and height of the search source could make a dramatic difference in it's effectiveness. It is an interesting concept but I would say that the glass hemisphere is half empty.
 
How effective are the light/radar reflective patches that come on some drysuits/hoods/etc? Do these not work at all? Well I know they reflect light, but would a plane with a suitable radar be able to "see" it from a few miles away?
 
do it easy:
How effective are the light/radar reflective patches that come on some drysuits/hoods/etc? Do these not work at all? Well I know they reflect light, but would a plane with a suitable radar be able to "see" it from a few miles away?
Even if those patches were RADAR reflective, they are so small that the beam would not be on them long enough to make much of a display.

It is not like visible light where a pinpoint of light would be visible. The signal to noise ratios and dynamic range of the display come into play.

In any case, I would like to see a demonstration of this device before I believe it is a good idea. If it just generates false hope and confidence, it could be worse than nothing.
 
I have a feeling that it works, but implementation... Would you add a helmet to your equipment? I mean, most of us don't mind stuffing a sausage in our pocket, clipping whistle here or a beacon there, but a helmet (for recreational diving)? I don't know if divers would buy into it. And if they don't, there's no reason for the Coast Guard or police to get the equipment necessary on their end...

I don't know. I guess we'll just have to wait and see, but I bet this is one of a thousand implamentable ideas for finding lost divers that will never see the light of day.

That's my 2¢, just wanted to hear your opinions...
-Erica
 
devolution365:
I have a feeling that it works
I suspect not.

The beam would only be on the reflector for a very short time, not nearly long enough to tell the difference between a diver's reflector and a wave face.
 
They've apparently taken the false positives into account:

...sweeps a laser beam across the water, say East to West. It then rapidly retraces the beam's path...

....Although there will inevitably be false reflections, from stones or water glints, they will not show up from the same place on a retraced beam sweep, so can be safely ignored.
 
devolution365:
They've apparently taken the false positives into account:
They _say_ they have.

The difference between a wave face and something bouncing around on the waves is tough to tell in the time the beam is going to be on target.

If we want to cover a square mile per hour, that would be about 129 microseconds per square foot. That does not allow a whole lot of time for retraces.

The marketing is far ahead of the science here.

I would be happy to watch them try to make this work.

Downed pilots would be much better off with a RADAR transponder atop the helmet.
 

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