New OW cert. Now, what equip to own?

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Hi,
I have just completed my OW certification in Belize(Dives 1-4, did all prior lessons
here in Oregon)and it was GREAT !

Now, I am wondering how much additional equipment beyond mask, snorkle,fins it
makes sense to own vs rent. BCD, wet suit, dry suit, regulators and so on. If you
would be so kind as to provide some guidance or thoughts I would really appreciate
it. This is strickly scuba diving.

I realize this really depends alot on how much I plan to dive, where, additional training,
AND how much money I can spend. So, here is what I am thinking about this now-
I would like to dive off the Oregon coast, maybe Washington, possibly California too.
Very much hope to get back to some warm water diving too, but that would be
far less in frequency. I am aware that one probably needs a dry suit for the NW coast.
I do intend to further my diving education but not sure how far at this point.
Moneywise, pretty limited but maybe a purchase or two a year over time.


I apologize in advance,if this has been hashed out many times.
If so,Please point me in the right direction.
Again, I appreciate any advice or input you might be able to pass along !

Thanks,

Gary in Oregon
 
IMHO, I would start out with a wet suit. Just cause the $ involved with a dry suit. Then later on down the road if you are diving a lot, then I would move up to a dry suit. By that time, you will have been diving with other people in the area see what they have, what features you would like on you own suit. Of course gloves, hood and boots.

Next up would be a Reg. You'd probably have to go with a more high perf reg cause of the cold water you will be diving in. On the plus side, this reg will work great once you get back to warm water. Again, after diving in your area seeing what other people are using and how they work you will have an idea of what you want when you go to buy your own. Also, renting different regs, will give you experience using different regs.

I wouldn't run out and buy tanks right off the bat. They are fairly cheap to rent and later down the road, when you know how much you will be using them, that is when you decide to buy.

By diving with other people, seeing what they are using and talking to them, you will find things you like or things you just shake you head at. I have never seen a "old timer" refuse to show off a piece of gear or explain what it is used for. You will most likely get some kind of opinion on that gear. Good Bad Or ugly:D

I guess the best advice I would give is to DIVE, DIVE, DIVE. Talk to people. If you need help with something, ask. Divers as a group are a pretty chatty bunch. So you will get all sorts of help.

Also, asking questions here on SB works great!
 
OK I'll start by contradicting ladbaks first piece of advice.

DO NOT BUY A WETSUIT. I have been teaching in New England (similar conditions to PNW) for 18 years. During that time I've seen lots of people buy wetsuits instead of drysuits because of the cost issue, then buy a drysuit later and never use the wetsuit again.

Assuming you decide that you like local diving, you will want to own everything.

What I usually recommend to my clients/students is first of all come diving with me before any major purchase and try out the gear I recommend (while wearing a wetsuit). Once they have found a configuration they like then BC-Reg-guages should be bought as a unit.

Once they're into BC-reg-guages that they like and have done several local dives in a wetsuit I'll take them out on a drysuit demo or two. Having now experienced local conditions in both a wetsuit and a drysuit they're able to appreciate why the DS costs so much more.

Some still buy wet, some go straight to dry, but no one is buying ignorant and regretting it later.
 
Below is some basic advice, but do talk to other divers before you rush out and spend your hard earned $. Be very wary of advice given by an LDS, as they're usually going to want to sell what they have in stock. I made that mistake first time around, and within two years found myself selling most of what I had bought because I'd outgrown it.

If you're going to dive off the Pacific NW then you're going to need a drysuit straight off. Find what dive clubs there are in your area and go along to each in turn. Hopefully you'll find one that feels right for you. Then watch what more experienced divers there do, and ask questions. Don't buy a drysuit until you've had the views of at least 6 people who use them regularly. When you do buy one, the most important aspects of fit (which is critical) concern the length of the legs and the size of the boots.

There are different materials used for drysuits. I have several of different types, but I'd suggest your first one be trilaminate, worn over a high quality Thinsulate purpose-made inner suit. Don't skimp on the inner suit, and make sure the outer suit fits you properly. Have proper training with an experienced drysuit diver (doesn't have to be an instructor), and make sure your first few outings are with experienced drysuit divers (which is why you should join a club).

[I've just seen Stevead's post and I agree fully. Many people in England buy thick semi-dry suits (despite the name, a type of wetsuit) and go out on all-day dive trips. I have NEVER known anyone using one of these to do the second dive of the day, as they've lost so much body heat. They're quite expensive, but one you realise you need a drysuit you'll never use it again. Stevead is the sort of instructor you want to find in your area.]

You'll need a suit for warm water diving, but I wouldn't bother with that until you need it. You'll probably find a well fitting full 3mm (or 5/3mm) will work for any warm water diving you do. The fit is again critical, much more than the design or the thickness.

You'll need open heel fins for cold water diving. Don't get them until you have the drysuit, as they need to be big enough to slide on and off easily over the integral boots. There are lots of ideas on fins, but my view is (as with all gear) the simpler the better. You'll find all Mares fins are well made, and in particular I use and love the basic one, the Avanti Plana (the one with just two black rubber flex slots). Not sure if they're still made by Mares, but they are certainly made by someone. They're (relatively) cheap and very effective, and last for ever. If you're going to dive around kelp forests you'll probably have close encounters with seals, and they love to play with yellow fins. A similar fin that's also good is the Cressi Frog. I'd avoid split fins as they don't give much propulsion. If you want to invest a lot of money in Force fins you probably won't ever regret it, but personally I'd leave that until later.

For warm water buy yourself some neoprene booties, the low cut ones without zips are the best as the zips always give trouble, and your new fins should fit over them just fine.

There are lots of regs to choose from, but as Ladbak said you'll need one that works well in cold water. Get one that's hermetically sealed, as it lasts longer and performs more consistently. Sometimes that's achieved by fitting an after-market kit. Regs I like that would be suitable include any Apeks (look at the 100 & 200 series), the Scubapro Mk25/S600, and the Aqualung Titan, though there are lots of others. Go for a simple console that has a depth gauge & pressure gauge.

You'll need your own BC for local diving. For use with a drysuit I'd recommend you look at harness & wing combinations, as they're more comfortable. For warm water I'd probably choose a conventional jacket-style BC, but if you're only going to get one I'd go for the wing version. You don't need to use a backplate and personally I wouldn't, so get a soft harness that works with a single tank and can be adapted to take doubles later on when your diving has developed. But this is definitely somewhere where you'd benefit greatly from observing what others do. Remember that a drysuit is very bulky, so make sure it will fit you over the drysuit.

I greatly prefer integrated weights, especially when I'm drysuit diving and have a lot of lead on me. That's an aspect of the BC though it may be an extra - see whether it's available for the one you like. If you prefer separate weights then for drysuit diving get a shoulder harness. They will never slip off, whereas a conventional weight belt carrying a lot of lead can easily slip over the smoothed hips offered by a drysuit, resulting in an involuntary and meteoric ascent - I've seen that too many times, even with very experienced divers.

I'm ignoring mask/snorkel as I assume you have them already. If not, choose a simple low volume mask - avoid side/bottom windows and purge valves. Even if you think you'd like something sophisticated like an Oceanic Datamask ($1500) or a convex mask resist these temptations for the time being - go for something simple. $50 should cover it. If you have short sight get a two lens mask that you can fit corrected lenses into. If you have long sight, get one or two glass planar-convex lenses (avoid the plastic ones) and cement them into the lower outer corners with clear neoprene cement.

A computer is a good idea from the start. I'd recommend a watch-style one that can handle two nitrox mixes, as that will be virtually future-proof. Don't get an integrated one.

For cold water you'll want a hood and gloves. I strongly recommend you go for thin ones - 2mm. Thicker will keep you warmer but can be oppressive to wear - get used to thin ones and only then buy thicker if you need them. I've used 2mm hood and gloves in below-freezing water on ice dives and have never had a problem, but I bought some 5mm gloves and found I couldn't feel anything with them on. I only ever wore them twice - I think they're at the bottom of my UK dive bag somewhere. Don't consider dry gloves until you're quite experienced - with over 2000 cold water dives I've never felt the need for them.

Extras you'll need. A compass is always useful. A console mounted one tends to be difficult to use accurately, so I'd go for a wrist-mount quality one - in my experience the ones that last longest are Suunto. You'll want a small slate that fits into a BC pocket, plus a pencil of course, and a scotch pad to clean it under water.

Another extra that's normal in northern Europe and may be in your area, though it's unusual in warm water areas, is a DSMB and locking reel. A Delayed Surface Markey Buoy can be inflated at depth from a second stage and deployed at depth on the line/reel as you start your ascent. A decent one gives you an excellent ascent platform and of course the boat knows where you are. More to the point, other boats should see it and avoid you. Use a permanent marker to write your name on the DSMB near the top, so a boat can identify you. The conventional colour in Europe for a DSMB for routine deployment and ascent is red. Yellow is reserved for emergencies, so buy a red one. I don't know what US manufacturers make decent ones, but I use DSMB and reel both made by AP Valves in England. A cheap DSMB won't give much buoyancy and won't last long - the Scubapro ones are horrible - but a good one will last for years and is so buoyant you can make yourself negative and hang from it, ideal when you're in open water and rough seas.

A small high intensity lamp is good to carry with you on all dives. I use an Ikelite PCa 6-AA lamp that works really well.

I think that's about all the basic equipment. There are all sorts of things you may want to get later on, but don't buy anything until you can see a need for it.

Hope that helps.
 
Hi,
Man, Thanks a ton for all the advice !
Super bunch of divers here for sure !

I am very comfortable with the dive instructors here in Oregon that I started with and I know
that the lead inst. has been diving since childhood and is very experienced . So..I have no
hesitation about getting back with this shop, Hydrosports in Keizer, OR. I know he runs dive trips
all over the world, as well as, especially here in the NW so it will be a great place to get some
good advice on local gear and diving info.
What most have recommended here is exactly what was passed on to us in the classes I took,
that is, dive, dive, dive, join a club, talk with lots of local divers. I really appreciate the PADI
methods I have been introduced to as they seem very consistent worldwide.

As a note to Peterbj7, I see you are in San Pedro, Belize. We didn't get there, but were in Caye
Caulker, and then later down south for other non-diving activities. If we get back to Belize, I will
look for your shop ! No complaints at all about the one we went with for the referral, Frenchies,
Abel treated us very well and I really enjoyed diving with him.

Also, Stevead, I could easily end up in MA too, my mom was from there and we have lots
of family. Maybe run into you there.

Thanks to all who replied !

Take Care,
Gary in Oregon
 
You've got some exciting times ahead of you. Enjoy!
 
My choice would be regulator first and take the opportunity now to rent and try as many of the dry and semi dry suits to get a feel for what aspects I will prefer before purchasing as they’re expensive.
 
The trouble is that the fit is so critical with a suit, especially a drysuit, that renting is unlikely to prove anything. It's actually likely to put a new user off completely, unless extraordinarily it happens to fit properly.
 
Peterbj7,
The problem there is that OP does not know yet whether local diving is what he wants to do. A drysuit is a big buy.

Gglaze,

Diving with locals is a good idea to get used to the different type of diving as well as finding out about gear choices.
The advice to get a drysuit IMHO is excellent advice as you should be able to borrow most of the other gear. I'd be tempted to do a drysuit course in your case as you'll get to learn about the different types of suit and possibly try on one or two to give you an idea of fit and how to use it.

The real learning will come later when you start diving it with buddies and pick up tips - Peter is spot on about the need for a good fit but I think before you start thinking of buying you need to know what to look out for in terms of fit.

On fins I would go for ScubaPro Jetfins or Turtles as they will enable you to fin in more than one way reasonably and may help your comfort level in the water by doing away with extra weight on your ankles - the other reason is that if you decide local diving is not for you it should be very easy to ebay them.

Regs - well I'd go on the regs forum and have a look at the advice there. If its Apeks you are after I disagree with Peter's advice on the 100s and 200s - the 50's are a lot cheaper and will serve you well for all the diving you do.


BC - I'm in the Backpate and Wing brigade along with 7foot long hose. You'll find loads of threads on this one. Have a read. (A BP/W is more flexible in the long run IMHO).

Computer - well all you really need is a depth timer along with tables. Planning a dive with tables using a timer is good discipline - using a computer makes this easier of course but often hides some of the learning detail as regards decompression - lots of debate on this too!

Gloves/Hood - fit is everything. If you get really cold hands then drygloves might be the way to go long term but for starting out try and borrow gloves from the locals. What I use in the UK is Northern Diver 5mm Superstretch gloves - they are warm and flexible but don't last long and need replacing each year.

The other thing you need is bags of enthusiasm (which you seem to have :) and a woolly hat - the woolly hat keeps your head warm on the boat and looks ridiculous but hey you are thinking of jumping into cold water with a rubber suit after all :)
 

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