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Nemrod

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We need a national scuba club. Why, lot's of reasons. Thread after thread how some lds charged a fellow or lady hundreds of dollars for a flipper set. Thread after thread about lack of skills, fear of water, over and over. Once upon a time scuba instruction was largely given by independent instructors, not completely but a large percentage of divers were not trained within the modern concept of a retail dive store. Once it came to be that the retail store was married to instruction the standards went to Hades. It is not a compatible mix. The concept of the current retail dive store model is to pump students through the system as rapidly as possible and the money is made through selling them all of the floor planned scuba gear usually at full MSRP.

No, this is a horrid way of instructing and results in PadI DMs like I encountered recently who could not assemble his tank, I know this because he had it backwards and it took me a full 30 minutes to convince him he was in error, tactfully and quietly.

We need a national club, the club would have a national standards and guiding committee and would accept instructors of varied background. The national club would have regional chapters and ultimately local affiliates--clubs--where students could be mentored and instructed within the context of camaraderie and shared interest and not a floor planning sales scheme as is the case now.

How would the national club deal with other organized (and effective groups like GUE), well, it would not, it would cooperate in shared areas and operate independently where their is not common interest. The concept would be cooperation and not competition. The national club would not sell or retail scuba gear, gear would be sold through retail dive stores or online diver stores as is done now, the stores simply would be divorced of instruction. No longer would student's well being be compromised by the consumerist retail machine.

In a perfect world. :depressed: Oh, what about the rebels like me, nothing would change, we rebels would still rebel and ignore all of the snorkel dictates but the majority of divers would be better served.

N, down with the man
 
Ok...
 
Hey... wait a minute... ISN'T THAT WHAT THE DORK DIVERS ARE????
 
So Nemrod - are you thinking something along the lines of BSAC for the states?

I like the idea of BSAC diving: club-based, strong mentoring and comprehensive training. You need that sort of diving given diving conditions in the UK.

String pointed out in a previous thread that, on a BSAC club dive, a senior club member takes legal responsibly for the safety of all the divers: ensuring that they are all experienced enough to do the dive, and that they are all equipped appropriately for the dive conditions. I like that idea a lot.

Maybe a few BSAC divers could chirp in more about how their training and diving is organised? It would be interesting to compare to the States.

Cheers,
Rohan.
 
the YMCA used to do that, or similar, only eventually to collapse in the face of the economies of scale, somehow the BSAC is unfortunately heading the same way.
the world is no longer entertaining the small enterpreneurs, if you want to do something either start large, massive, with LOTS of funds, or ... well... stay home watching TV.
 
We need a national scuba club. Why, lot's of reasons. Thread after thread how some lds charged a fellow or lady hundreds of dollars for a flipper set.
I think you'd be kicked out of such a club for calling a pair of fins a "flipper set".
 
The club idea is fine, as long you don't get empire builders running it for the benefit of some. The BSAC system is the only one where I've come across a "new" diver who had to complete 40 dives before his club instructor would sign him off as an Ocean Diver (basic open water). I was diving with him long before he was certified and he was pretty good. Other BSAC guys said he was being asked to do skills way and above Ocean Diver levels. Once the criteria is laid down it should not be up to local interpretation as to who is a diver and who isn't. The BSAC club system also relys on instructors giving their time to train the next generation of divers. I've also seen a group of instructors split off from a branch to form their own. That way they had their weekend of diving to themselves and they only ever trained friends who wanted to join their club.

Ok, I'm not BSAC, flame me if you like. My dive centre is a BSAC Resort Centre, but what I've described is what I've personally come across and I've dived with many BSAC divers.
 
:dork2: See below.:dork2:
 
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BS. We don't need no stinkin' club. If you want a club join the Y.
 
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