my bp/wing experience (a year later)

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raposarose

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Hello!

Since it is such a popular topic and since I read so many posts by new divers asking about these BCs I thought I would share my experience. Especially since a lot of people here helped me out when I first started looking for a BC (http://www.scubaboard.com/t37449-.html).

In particular this is directed at new divers asking if it is too "technical" or "uncomfortable." I don't necessarily want to convince people it is the best choice in the world (I had thought about getting a Transpac or a backinflate BC before, and I never tried the Transpac). Those still might have been good alternatives. I just want to say that it worked well for me, and that some of the major concerns a new diver might have about this system turned out not to be valid. I still only have 25 dives total or so, so bear in mind that this is the opinion of a pretty new diver.

I used a BP/Wing (rented a 36lb pioneer) as one of my first dives after being certified. Maybe since it was adjusted correctedly I had no problems, and I just subtracted 6lbs from my usual weighting. Before I tried it I was a little concerned because it seemed like it would be more uncomfortable and tricky to use, and I had heard about back inflate pushing your face forward on the surface. I was almosts set on getting a Transpac as something "in-between." I was surprised that I wasn't pushed forward even a little bit on the surface, and overall I liked the solid feel (the rental had an STA for some reason), and lack of bulk.

In short, it was not uncomfortable at all. Honestly, even though it makes little difference, the MC storage pack on the Halcyon made it *look* like it would be more comfortable than just a steel plate, so I didn't feel daunted to rent it.

I was convinced, so when a good deal came along I bought the Pioneer 36 system.

Trim took a bit to work out as I adjusted weights and experimented with positioning of weights, and as I bought a steel tank, but all in all my experience was not any harder than a jacket BC. With jacket BCs I had mixed experiences during my OW cert. class. Some fit better than others, generally I didn't like the bulk though, which narrowed my search to back inflate BCs when I finally decided to but one. The only backinflate BC I had tried before the BP/Wing was an old seaquest that was bright blue and looked like it was from 1972 that our dive instructor (a cool YMCA instructor who has been teaching a long time) had.

Now I use weight pockets on the cam straps, and two on the harnesses instead of a weight belt, and overall it feels solid and well balanced. I had an issue with a puncture recently, but Halcyon replaced it at a very low cost and threw in the new steel inflator that may old wing didn't have. The only negative I have had with the system at all is the fact that the steel cam strap buckles bite into the tank a little (though they are very secure). I resolved this for the time being with a little duct tape ;)

My wife bought an oxycheq system, and it has been good too (besides that the plate has been fraying her harness, so she needs to sand down the edges).

I hope this is useful.
 
Hopefully the BP manufacturers will wake up and de-burr the edges. We certainly pay enough for that piece of steel. I like this idea......not sure if those insert pull out though.

http://www.deepseasupply.com/page7.html
 
ShakaZulu:
Hopefully the BP manufacturers will wake up and de-burr the edges. We certainly pay enough for that piece of steel. I like this idea......not sure if those insert pull out though.

http://www.deepseasupply.com/page7.html



Shakazulu,

The inserts in our plates do not "pull out". They are in fact molded on to the plate, in other words the back plate is in the molding machine and the inserts are "PART" of the plate.

The material used for the inserts is a blend of natural rubber and polypro that is very tough, long wearing and stable.

Ths material has been used for 25+ years in autos for things like window guide rails and CV boots. Recently the material manufacturer recovered some from old cars, ground it up and molded new test samples. These samples performed almost as well as samples made from new resin.

I've personally used this family of materials for various sporting goods I designed and produced for over 15 years, and have had zero failures due to this resin.

Regards,



Tobin
 
This would have been good for my wife to know. She ordered her set up from COVCI. He was very helpful to her before the sale. But when she wrote him about this issue (she didn't know about deburring the edges), she never heard back...

Anyway, sounds like a great idea. Shaka Zulu -- yes you are right. I knew about the issue from the scuba board, but for my wife who never heard of the issue it seemed like a big flaw considering she paid good money and only has probably less than 10 dives with her BP/wings set-up. I agree that for the money this should not be an issue.
 
Thanks Tobin, my next plate will be from you guys.
 
cool_hardware52:
Shakazulu,

The inserts in our plates do not "pull out". They are in fact molded on to the plate, in other words the back plate is in the molding machine and the inserts are "PART" of the plate.

The material used for the inserts is a blend of natural rubber and polypro that is very tough, long wearing and stable.

Ths material has been used for 25+ years in autos for things like window guide rails and CV boots. Recently the material manufacturer recovered some from old cars, ground it up and molded new test samples. These samples performed almost as well as samples made from new resin.

I've personally used this family of materials for various sporting goods I designed and produced for over 15 years, and have had zero failures due to this resin.

Regards,

Darn it, Cool_52,
I wish I could figure out a way to do that with the back plates I make!
I'm green with envy.

That's a very good touch.

The K
 
Get bent !!!! :bash:

I have to resort to duct tape - we call that "duck tape" down here! :D
 
btw--this was one of the quickest thread hijacks I have seen ;)

Maybe it says something about interest in my story...
 

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