Morgan Spring, July26

[ucfdiver]

Thinking....

I can't really think of one. I see OOA as a theoretical possibility that never happens in real life, for long distances at least.

It's a great tool in classes to test situational awareness, and you DO need to be prepared because it does happen temporarily from time to time (stage/deco switch goofs or shutting down posts to try and fix a reg issue).

 

[coldsmoke]

Ok - AJ's full stage is un-useable (bad reg or something), happens in the restriction so he goes to his bungee reg. Then meets up with Litehedded and in the process of aligning directions the post rolls off. Momentary alarm and the crises funnel begins.

Might be planning for multiple failures, but it's the best I could think of without (hopefully) being too unrealistic.

Hunter

(posted at the same time as James' post above)

 

[HenrikBP]

Thanks for the report. Sounds like a great dive - although the thought of cave makes my hair stand on end ...

Henrik

 

[limeyx]

Ok - AJ's full stage is un-useable (bad reg or something), happens in the restriction so he goes to his bungee reg. Then meets up with Litehedded and in the process of aligning directions the post rolls off. Momentary alarm and the crises funnel begins.

Might be planning for multiple failures, but it's the best I could think of without (hopefully) being too unrealistic.

Hunter

(posted at the same time as James' post above)

I think your scenario while not impossible is just something you cannot really "plan" for, but experience and not "going ahead of your experience and abilities" can help to keep a calm head and resolve such issues

Regarding your scenario

#1 - If I personally was approaching a small/silty restriction, I would not be doing anything to my stage during the restriction.

If I was close enough on gas on the stage I was using, i would go to the new stage first (drop the empty) and verify that the new stage is working before entering the stage

#2 you should feel a rolloff and be instantly back there to turn the post back on.

#3 your scenario doesnt seem much different than a diver with say just doubles, in a small silty area getting a rolloff --- what part does the stage add here ?

#4 If I can access my bungee reg in a restriction, then I can probably access my longhose too. So unless a real CF is happening, thats probably what I would do (because I can now donate). If I cannot go to my bungee then I am in some dire-sounding trouble!

If the restriction is small/silty then I think you (one) will already be hyper-vigilant when approaching it.

 

[rjack321]

Ok - AJ's full stage is un-useable (bad reg or something), happens in the restriction so he goes to his bungee reg. Then meets up with Litehedded and in the process of aligning directions the post rolls off. Momentary alarm and the crises funnel begins.

Might be planning for multiple failures, but it's the best I could think of without (hopefully) being too unrealistic.

Hunter

(posted at the same time as James' post above)

What Limeyx said. Drop the 1st stage (a little early if you have to -don't go into a restriction close to drop pressure).
You're now on a full stage which could be donated temporarily if need be.

Two divers facing each other in a restriction with either diver suddenly & completely OOA? (highly unlikely that's why the backgas was 100% reserve for this dive) The exit diver has to back out no matter what anyway. So its not really relevant what reg the OOA diver has in his mouth - the one on the full stage or the long hose. Don't try to take stages off in a restriction.

 

[kathydee]

Thanks for sharing your exciting adventure! All the talk of failures/creative solutions gets the mind churning about possibilities – The preview in creative problem/failure solutions is quite interesting. And it's enlightening to see what those giving advice on this forum are up to.

There is something special about 200’ in zero vis.

Uggh - this is a little frightening though. Think I'll stick with shallow warm still cenotes for the moment .

 

[LiteHedded]

if memory serves i ditched the first stage and the scooter to poke through and see what was up. i couldn't see the line and there were a lot of things to get snagged. something did get snagged actually. don't remember what exactly but whatever.

a lot of this **** you really have to figure out on the fly. not sure they have a class for exactly what went down on that day
anyways, we dir'd our pants off and were back in time for dinner.

and as far as OOA goes, at this level you have to be having a REALLY bad day to not be able to find gas to breathe. a dead reg shouldn't even be an issue. if it is, you have no business on this dive to begin with.

 

[coldsmoke]

Fair enough - I was just testing you guys anyway. Good thing you all had the right answers. D)

 

[LiteHedded]

Fair enough - I was just testing you guys anyway. Good thing you all had the right answers. D)

psh. aj and I always have the right answers. even when they're wrong

here are some of the super important videos we took. for science...

 

[PfcAJ]

Some of this stuff requires you to adjust on the fly based on everything that's happening.

We've been through some restrictions on more than one occasion, and James is right, lead guy comes back if the rear dude doesn't come through. However, the rear guy can't wait all day long. Better to drop the stage and ready yourself to come through should the need arise. Things were happening fast, and we adjusted as needed based on the situation.

If my full stage is unusable, I'd be on my longhose. The longhose is always the intermediary between stages. That's how things always are, you don't stay on your backup unless you need it.

A lot of this has been elaborated on in previous posts (I was busy all day and didn't have a chance to reply earlier).