Mexican or florida caves? the difference between

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I'm no cave diver (at least not yet), but I have many friends who are and they talk about it a lot.

I would like to know if there is many difference between the cenotes in Mexico and the caves in Florida like Ginnie or Peacock?

Different type of tunnels, water (salted and/or fresh) type of rock, etc.
 
Mexican caves are utterly spectacular. They were vadose limestone caves that became flooded after the most recent glaciation ended. Thus, most are heavily decorated with calcareous speleothems. Typically the caves are long and shallow with low flow. You can easily spend 2 to 2-1/2 hours swimming 7,000 feet and never get deeper than 40 feet and never get into deco. Of course, there are deep caves too. Diving the sump side of centoes takes some gas planning but it's possible. The passageways tend to be complex and the cave lines have a lot of complex intersections. Deco diving is not common unless you are doing extended-range or deep exploration. The cenote water can be fresh, but close to the coast there is often a mix of salt/fresh water with a bothersome halocline. Some caves trend along the halocline so unless you're in the lead you never get to see anything except a big blur.

Florida caves were always phreatic, so they're rather dull, just tubes in limestone. Many think the Florida caves are beautiful, but I've been in several hundred caves and would not agree. Florida caves tend to be quite a bit deeper with high flow, so they are significantly more challenging than Mexican caves. Deco is often necessary unless you're are doing only cursory penentration. Almost all caves in Florida are freshwater. I don't think I'd ever want to dive the sump side of a Florida cave unless the conditions were perfect.
 
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Florida caves ......rather dull, just tubes in limestone.

Wow...couldn't disagree more.

I have seen quite a few Mexico caves,and more Florida caves,and I never get tired of diving these dull limestone tubes. Florida has such variety,and uniqueness. If you dive in the Weeki Wachi area you get huge passages,with some deep sections. The central Florida area which make up the "tourist caves" have so much variety of features,but if you leave the beaten path there are caves with fossils in the wall like a time machine,stratified clay that should be in the Louvre,and teaming with unique life.
The variety of passage shapes and types is remarkable. You can look at other areas like the caves of Leon sinks region and Marianna to find a whole different world. Don't get me wrong I enjoy seeing the speleothems in Mexico,but I admit I enjoy diving Florida with going from fissure crack,to bedding plane,back to fissure crack,then rewarded with a large room with multiple side passages.
 
Mexican caves are utterly spectacular. They were vadose limestone caves that became flooded after the most recent glaciation ended. Thus, most are heavily decorated with calcareous speleothems. Typically the caves are long and shallow with low flow. You can easily spend 2 to 2-1/2 hours swimming 7,000 feet and never get deeper than 40 feet and never get into deco. Of course, there are deep caves too. Diving the sump side of centoes takes some gas planning but it's possible. The passageways tend to be complex and the cave lines have a lot of complex intersections. Deco diving is not common unless you are doing extended-range or deep exploration. The cenote water can be fresh, but close to the coast there is often a mix of salt/fresh water with a bothersome halocline. Some caves trend along the halocline so unless you're in the lead you never get to see anything except a big blur.

Florida caves were always phreatic, so they're rather dull, just tubes in limestone. Many think the Florida caves are beautiful, but I've been in several hundred caves and would not agree. Florida caves tend to be quite a bit deeper with high flow, so they are significantly more challenging than Mexican caves. Deco is often necessary unless you're are doing only cursory penentration. Almost all caves in Florida are freshwater. I don't think I'd ever want to dive the sump side of a Florida cave unless the conditions were perfect.

how dare you! lol
caves don't have to have speleotherms to be beautiful. trust me :wink:
 
Someone once told me that most of the Florida caves used to be highly decorated as well, but due to the flow and the chemistry of the water, the decorations dissolved. Has anyone heard something similar?

Tom
 
Hmm, I think FL caves are pretty beautiful but to each there own I suppose. I do want a chance to go to the Bahamas and Mexico though sometime.
 
I wish they would have left the sound in these videos...being underwater and cruising without moving a muscle with the scooter for background noise is one of the most enjoyable experiences I can think of. I can only imagine what it's like with 200w HMI's on the scooter where you don't even have to hold a light....
 
the original of that video is much longer. used to be on the camp indian springs website but it's gone now :(
 
https://www.shearwater.com/products/perdix-ai/
http://cavediveflorida.com/Rum_House.htm

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