Mask off, do I really have to keep my Eyes open?

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I don't believe there is anything in the Standards regarding eyes open or closed. I had lazer eye surgery 2-3 weeks before OW course and asked--she said eyes closed, no problem. Plus I HATE chlorine. Of course, if you really had your mask knocked off, your eyes would be open--but then again it's doubtful you'd be in a pool, and it wouldn't matter if you kept them closed in that case anyway. I often open my eyes swimming in salt water--rather like it.
 
I got a -7 prescription on both eyes. I don't wear contacts but have optical glasses in my mask. I don't already see much on land without my glasses on, but in the water I'm virtually blind without my mask. Opening my eyes would be utterly useless. If I can dive without being able to see without a mask, why can't others?

You can but at some disadvantage. Even almost blind may leave you seeing shadows in stead of objects which will help you maintain your position and buoyancy or may help you search for your mask. If you are diving with a buddy, you may have extra reason to make sure it is a good buddy who understands your limitations. For solo or more independent diving, you may need to consider a prescription spare mask to help you safely end your dive.
 
My instructor had us remove the mask, leave it on the bottom then swim underwater to the other end of the pool and back before redonning the mask. Good practice in my opinion, but if I wore contacts, I would remove them for that exercise.
 
Not completely. Part of the point may also be finding the mask. I do agree that keeping your eye closed in training so as not to waste a set of contacts is reasonable. But one issue remains - can you open your eyes if you need to?

Finding a mask is very easy with your eyes closed. Touch your thigh and pull your spare mask out of your pocket. Don it. Grab other mask, wherever it is, grab buddy who kicked it off, and kick them in the arse.
 
You can but at some disadvantage. Even almost blind may leave you seeing shadows in stead of objects which will help you maintain your position and buoyancy or may help you search for your mask.
I think you're underestimating the issue. On land without my glasses I can find my mask (and even my glasses if I'm careful) lying on the floor when I'm walking around. No big deal. In the water it's a wholly different story. Even with a non-prescription mask I can barely see anything. My hand right in front of my face is a blur. A person 2 meters away is just about recognizable as being a person, but that's it. I couldn't see hand signals or anything. And without mask, forget it. Everything's just a blue blur. I couldn't see a huge rock in front of me until it hits me in the face.

If you are diving with a buddy, you may have extra reason to make sure it is a good buddy who understands your limitations. For solo or more independent diving, you may need to consider a prescription spare mask to help you safely end your dive.
Point well taken and in fact I have been told exactly that before. However, my original point stands, I don't see it as a disadvantage if you can't see under water without mask, but rather the other way around. It's an advantage if you can and I suppose everybody should try it (we did, we actually tried to make an air pocket in front of our face to make seeing easier, which never worked for me either heh), but I don't think it should be expected of you.
 
Keeping your eyes open underwater can take some getting used to.

In the pool, during the exercise, it's pretty easy to keep 'em shut. In that nice controlled environment, where you know how deep you are, and where your mask is, and that there's help right next to you, etc.
... and that's kinda the point. Scuba instruction at the introductory level is an iterative process. When you first start dealing with a mask-off, it's tough enough to just focus on maintaining a rythmic breathing pattern ... so you don't lose your buoyancy control. Closing the eyes often helps that process. At some point you can try to open them ... but intentionally inflicting chlorine burns on someone isn't a recommended way to get them to concentrate on what they're supposed to be learning.

This is a recreational activity ... not boot camp.

On a dive, with just a buddy, say you lose your mask. What now? You close your eyes. Your buddy doesn't notice and continues away. You're 90ft down. In complete darkness. Pretty helpless.
OK ... my take on this is that you've made several bad decisions before you ever got to that point ... the biggest being at 90 feet with someone you can't trust to be a proper dive buddy. But at that point, you open your eyes.

By the time you've gotten adequate experience to be at 90 feet, you'd better have surpassed many of the skills you learned in OW ... basic mask clearing being one of them. You shouldn't just get certified and go that deep based on what you learned in OW.

So the answer to "now what" is don't put yourself in that situation in the first place. After certification, practice your skills until they become almost as automatic as walking. Improve on them. Work on not just being a good dive buddy, but being discerning about who you choose to buddy up with ... THEN you might be ready to go to 90 feet.

But that wasn't the OP's question ... he's asking about what happens during the OW class. The answer is that it should be a progression ... learn to crawl, then try walking. Learn to walk, then try running. Learning to dive is no different.

Eyes open you can a) find and alert your buddy the dive is over (if no spare) b) perhaps catch your mask before it is gone c) possibly have a safer ascent.
... or choose a buddy who is alert enough to the situation to assist you ... that's why we dive with buddies in the first place. If you have to assume your buddy won't be there for you, then there's no point in diving with that person.

If you have contacts why not buy the prescription mask??
Lenses run anywhere from $160 to $240 ... depending on prescriptions strength and whether you need bi/trifocals.

Chlorine in the pool, salt in the ocean, silt in the lake. Kinda goes with the territory that the eyes are going to get a little irritated. May as well get used to it so it can be better dealt with at depth I'd say.
As a practical matter, mask clearing is one of the first skills taught in confined water. Get someone with burning eyes for the next two hours, and you've just reduced their capacity to concentrate on everything else you're there to teach them.

If you ask me they should take the mask and toss it ten feet away and have the trainee recover it to get used to seeing underwater without the mask. It's not hard, and I would think it to be kinda important.
That's a skill that used to be taught. When I did my OW class, we had to toss our mask and snorkel into the deep end of the pool, jump in and retrieve them, and clear the snorkel before lifting our face out of the water. But that was one of the last exercises of class ... in a class that involved 16 hours of pool time, where we had plenty of time to practice.

I'll agree that learning how to remove and replace your mask with eyes open is a useful skill ... where I'll disagree is that it's something that's useful in today's OW training progression. In many cases, it can do more harm than good.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
Well said Bob.....

I remember doing that snorkel mask recovery drill. My eyes were burning for the rest of the night because the pool had so much chlorine. Ugh.
 
Squint your eyes. Let your eyelashes act as goggles. I don't understand why it's such a hard concept for people to understand. Contacts or no contacts it works for both.

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Eyes can be fully open, fully closed, or slightly open.

You don't need to keep your eyes fully open or fully closed throughout all your life.
 
Leaving theory aside, there are plenty of situations where expecting the diver to be able to retrieve a lost mask by sight is impractical. Whether due to darkness, depth of the water (we don't always swim near the bottom), visibility, current or the likely loss of contact lenses (and therefore loss of adequate vision) should the diver try to swim with eyes open, there are plenty of circumstances where it isn't going to work. I can open my eyes in seawater and even see a little bit, but not very far or very clearly.

If the instructor requires it, then do what you need to for the class and come up with a reasonable plan for yourself and dive buddy(ies) later. That reasonable plan may vary depending on the dive circumstances.

Being able to open eyes under water and without a mask is a nice thing to be able to do, and probably a skill worth trying to cultivate, but an inability to do so is not critical.
 

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