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I'm entering my 2nd year. I've already finish was Biology 1 and 2 but haven't taken any chemistry and if I start that, its gonna hold me back completely for an extra year beyond my senior because I have to take Chem 1, 2, and then to Organic which will hold me back one year. I could petition to take Chem outside at a community college but that has to go through the Chair of the department and the grade won't count, it will just transfer and they don't allow organic and anything beyond to be taken outside of the school. I've already started Enviro 1 and 2 and now I'm starting the upper division classes. Unfortunately, my pockets and wallet is empty :( so unless anybody wanna donate, that would be very very VERY grateful!
 
Whew!! Okay, entering as a sophomore still leaves you wiggle room. I was about to pop a blood vessel when I heard you were three years into your program.

Alright, let's talk about your environmental science degree first. Looking at your university's degree plan for it, it seems pretty solid, except for the bizarre lack of base chemistry coursework. I also don't like how general biology credits are left rather vague, but that's neither here nor there.

So first things first, you need to take general chemistry. As soon as possible. Most undergraduates (in the sciences) take it in their first or second year.

After general chemistry, you need organic chemistry. Preferably this should be also be taken by the end of your second year, as it lays a critical foundation for understanding important things like uh... molecules. As environmental science favors heavily into earth monitoring, knowing how pollutants or other chemicals work is pretty dang important. Any environmental science program that doesn't require organic chemistry from it's students has a total screw loose, in my opinion. So please, for the love of god, take organic chemistry. You will NOT regret it further down in your career path.

Next, let's move on to how to model your degree plan as a stepping stone for postgraduate studies in Biology. As mentioned in earlier threads, a certain level of *base knowledge* in the field is necessary. Graduate school in Biology isn't supposed to teach you about Biology, you're already supposed to know a fair amount of it. Rather, graduate school teaches you highly advanced concepts that build upon what you already know.

So you need several core biology courses. Take the ones I recommended earlier. Other than Introductory Biology, you'll need Genetics and General Microbiology. Following that, at least 2-3 elective biology courses. These electives must be chosen VERY CAREFULLY, for they will very likely determine the sort of Master's degree in Biology that you want. Example; if you take Oceanography and Marine Biology, you'll want a M.S. in something to do with marine habitats or a marine environmental issue. Another example; taking Wetlands Ecology and Herpetology will gear you for a M.S. in aquatic reptiles, or maybe coastal resource conservation.

One of the reasons I recommended that you simply switch majors to Biology track, is that Biology majors do not normally have to so carefully choose their courses as they would apply to graduate school. Normally, they get enough credits to make them more jacks-of-all-trades, or select a particular focus concentration track within their major that caters to their future career paths. Examples of such focus concentrations would be tracks in Marine Mammals, Health Science, Ecology, etc... A lot of Biology departments in the U.S. these days now offer multiple tracks to their undergraduate majors to specialize in... these tracks are offered based on the university's own resources to teach such courses, and a perceived need to offer them in the first place.

Being an Environmental Science major rather than a Biology major, but wanting to pursue graduate study in Biology, places VERY tight limitations on your elective courses. Not only will every single one of them now be dedicated towards chemistry and biology courses, but it is extremely likely that you will require additional credit hours beyond your own degree plan's minimum.

Basically, you need to get a minor in Biology, and at LEAST 8 semester credit hours of general and organic chemistry (12-16 is preferred). For now, we'll just leave out Biochemistry. It's another *core* biology class, but corners must be cut somewhere.

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Regarding community college transfer credit, general chemistry will of course go through virtually anywhere. Organic chemistry may or may not. In any event, them transferring is irrelevant, as your degree plan doesn't require them anyway. What isn't important isn't that they transfer, but that you TAKE THEM. You need the knowledge that these courses teach you. You really do. :jump013:

If you're worried about *official recognition* for taking community college classes that do not transfer, don't. When you apply to graduate schools, they will ask for ALL college transcripts, not just the one you got your undergraduate degree from. In fact, many applicant screening committees prefer students with community college experience. I certainly look favorably on such students.:)
 
There's always summer school. I believe that you can take Chem-5 (organic) at a JC, the credits will count but the grade will not (that maybe to your advantage, it can be a rough course).

I guess I don't undestand the major, where are the "Natural History of xxx" courses where you learn to identify and name all the critters, where they live, what they eat, their basic ecology, etc.??
 
The University of Texas at Austin has one of the best Environmental Science Programs available. At least you can read up on the requirements for a MS-PhD. program:

http://www.esi.utexas.edu/

And, I agree with the above comments that you should minor in Biology, and take as many Biological Science courses that you can.
 
Alright then guys, Thursday is my first day of class, wish me luck as I embark on something of no return. :shakehead: I'll come home a winner or a loser.
 
Luck ... wining would be better.:D
 
Well, I set my goal, I do have alot of biology to do. Chem stuff, not really too much but I'll take the chem class outside of the University for the sake of my GPA and money! Otherwise, looks like I'm on the right track, or maybe....:confused2
 
ok so i go to a school where their bio program focuses more on the medical side (UCI), im a 2nd year right now and a bussiness econ major and im planning on switching so instead of switching to environmental earth and sciences should i switch to just general bio or ecology? unfotunately uci only offers two marine classes (marine environment and marine bio) and its hard to transfer to UCSB who has a marine bio program when im already in a UC school
 
I think you can take summer courses (or for that matter any semester) at any campus for your electives. I'd do a solid bio degree as discussed earlier and then move to the marine area for post-graduate work.
 
My middle son is a sophomore in HS and has expressed an interest in Marine Biology with a goal of working with marine mammals. He's a Jr PADI MSD and is on track towards his Eagle Scout while his grades are mostly B's. He has expressed particular interest in attending the University of Rhode Island (URI) for a Marine Biology undergraduate degree but has no idea what he would do after that. I've encouraged him to pursue the Naval Academy and then upon graduation he could work in the Navy's Marine Mammal Program initially and then return for graduate study a few years later. The Naval Academy does not have a Marine Biology major but does have an Oceanography major with an emphasis towards marine biology. Does anyone have any insight in the Naval Academy programs? Would URI be preferrable even though the initial work will be hard to find before graduate study? Appreciate any experience/insights that folks might contribute.
 

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