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I'm sure some of you have been to, or live in Puerto Rico. So, what's it like? I've been reading a lot on line but its usually touristy type stuff. I'm looking for the truth...is it nice, dirty, or what? I've been told the island is nice as long as you stay away from San Juan. How true is it?

The reason I'm asking is because in eight years I'm going to retire from the military and I'm looking for someplace warm to live. I've been looking at real-estate down there and the prices aren't bad. On top of that, plane tickets are cheap.

I'm trying to plan a trip there next fall but I'm not sure where to start at. After the recent "SCUBA Diving" article I guess I'm looking at the west coast, I'm open to suggestions though.

Thanks for any info you can give.
 
I have spent some time in the Southwest (Lajas) and enjoyed it very much. The infrastructure is pretty modern and the area is clean. It is sort of inbetween the U.S. and some of the places I've been in Central America. I would have no problem living there.
 
Nice. That's the kind of info I'm looking for.

Are there any little odd quirks I should know about? Do they have anything against people from the mainland (i.e. non-Puerto Rican)?

Is there anywhere you would recommend for a vacation there? I'm hoping in about August - September time-frame.

I figure if I can get enough good info and a few more people actually say it's a clean place then I can talk the wife into moving there. I'm just looking for someplace warm all year so I can dive. She's just worried about where ever we go being dirty.

Thanks for the info.
 
This is one of those questions that could elicit 50 divergent opinions - most of which would probably be nevertheless valid. It is also a question that you could write a whole book about. I apologize in advance if this gets a little verbose.

I grew up there, about 10 miles west of San Juan, but have been living in the States for the past 30 years. Would I go back when I retire? Like yourself, I'd love to go somewhere warm, where I'd be able to dive or fish daily if I want to, perhaps see the many relatives and friends that I grew up with, and have access to good food (to me PR food is exceptional). So from these respects, PR certainly has a lot going for it.

And it doesn't end there. You mentioned having read a lot of touristy stuff, so you already know that the island offers lots of things to do and see: it has a rich culture and history with many monuments and structures dating back to the days when PR was a Spanish colony. The island boasts one of the most impressive cave systems in this hemisphere; a rainforest on the Northeast, with some gorgeous waterfalls and unique wildlife; and the largest radio-telescope in the world.

The people are very friendly and hospitable - that is not to say that you won't encounter a jerk here and there, but that is bound to happen no matter where. I am of Oriental origin, born in Cuba, and I can't say that there was ever any ill-will towards me because of my race and nationality. Curiosity, definitely.

There are many Americans who live in PR, so I do not feel that there is an anti-American sentiment. Since you are in the Armed Forces, perhaps there is a way that you can tap into the knowledge base of those who used to be stationed in PR at Ramey AFB (more than 30 years ago) and perhaps more recently at Roosevelt Roads naval base, to get their perspectives as well.

Beyond the above discussion, the island is pretty much up to date in terms of modern day amenities: the roads that get you around the island are quite modern - you definitely need a car to get around; you can pretty much buy anything that there is to buy here in the States because many of the chains that exist in the States are already established there; there is cable TV with the same programming that you would get here; and the medical facilities are for the most part up to date - after all, many in the medical field are State-educated anyway.

Is it a clean place? It depends on where you are. Definitely not as clean as Singapore. It also depends on your definition of clean.

Is it a safe place? Also depends on where you are.

If you live in a gated community (and these are sprouting up all over) it will be clean and safe. And living in the more rural areas will certainly be safer and cleaner than in the highly urban areas.

My guess is that the issues of safety and clealiness are ones that you will have to assess yourself when you visit. Just a word of caution, because sometimes things can be a bit misleading: you are apt to see ornamental iron bars at almost every home, especially in the highly urban areas. Nowadays, iron bars are pretty much a necessity for safety reasons, but just to put it in a slightly different perspective: when I first arrived on the island in 1964, houses were already built with ornamental iron bars even though it was very safe back then. It's almost as if iron bars have long been part of the culture, part of the way of life.

So why would I not retire in PR? I think that many of the factors listed above make it a great place to visit or even to stay for a few months, but perhaps not necessarily 24/7 for 365 days a year. First of all, I don't know if living there where it's hot yearround with no discernible change of seasons will be hard to get back to getting used to.

Second, the images that I have from growing up there are of a kinder and gentler time, when the island wasn't as busy and life in the urban areas was not as impersonal, are a thing of the past. I've been back and often dread having to drive around. I suppose there are still places - especially in the more rural areas - where those kinder and gentler times are still present, but I think that they are starting to get harder to come by.

Third, the images of the beautiful beaches that one often sees in the tourist ads more often than not are taken in Culebra, where the waters remain turquoise and clear. The inshore waters of PR itlsef - perhaps due to the outflows from the rivers and the silt that they carry - have long ceased to be crystal clear turquoise and are more greenish......or worse.

I think that for starters, you should visit the island to take a look for yourself, but I would recommend that you expand your visit to cover the entire island. The island is roughly 100 miles long by 35 miles wide. It is not inconceivable to select let's say 4 or 5 hubs for a day or two each (one in the northwest, such as Aguadilla, Rincon or Arecibo, one in the southwest (Cabo Rojo, Boqueron, Lajas or Guanica), one in the northeast (Fajardo or Luquillo), one in the central mountains (Jayuya or Utuado) and perhaps one in the San Juan area, from which you might explore the surrounding areas. Google to find the PR Tourist Board site - it will list a number of Tourist Board sanctioned country inns that are strategically located to allow you to explore all corners of the island.

And last but not least, consider also the possibility of spending a day or two exploring Culebra, which is one of PR's offshore islands to the east, accessible by either plane or ferry. It has the beaches and the tranquility. It may not have the shopping or all of the amenities, but if I had to choose a place to retire in PR, that would be it. But then, that may not be what you're looking for.

Good luck.
 
Manuel - Wow! That's some great information. I was hoping someone like you would come along. That's the down to Earth more realistic view I was looking for. Pretty much what I was expecting. I've read a lot of what you were saying. It's appealing to think you can live in a tropical paradise and still have most of the amenities of the U.S. right there.

I can see what you're saying about it changing from what you remember. I've lived in a lot of places I would love to live in again, but I know it could never be the same now as it was then. I guess in my case I've never been to Puerto Rico so whatever I see when I visit is what will stick in my mind's eye.

I do want to live somewhere a little slower. Somewhere a little more personal I guess.

Anyway, thanks for the info. At least I have a more real idea of what to expect than what's in the magazines.
 
You are welcome. A few afterthoughts.

Generally speaking, the south is the hottest and driest, the west is the rainiest, and the north and east are kinda in between. The center of the island, especially along the central mountains ridge, (the Cordillera Central) tends to be the coolest during the winter for obvious reasons - maybe 60's.

My comment regarding the inshore waters is an indication that although it is possible to shore dive, I don't think that it is that good anymore. All of the dives described in the Scuba Diving article are offshore boat dives.

Another one of the more popular attractions in PR is the Phosphorescent Bay in the Parguera area on the southwest. In fact, there are three known phosphorescent bays in PR waters - one in Parguera, one on Vieques (offshore island to the east, between PR and Culebra) and one on Culebra.
 
So, even though the water isn't as clear as it once was and the diving isn't as good, is there still decent diving to be found, at least just for a nice little 30 minute dive, or is it just not worth it? The reason I ask is I'm looking for a place I can just jump in the water in the middle of the day without having to get on a boat. I've been diving in some pretty murky stuff before. I lived in California near Monterey Bay and the plankton gets pretty thick there...so, water that's a little murky isn't too big of a deal as long as it's still diveable and you can see a little something.

Is it called Phosphorescent Bay for an obvious reason? Sounds like an interesting place to dive, I might need to do a little more research. Since the south is the driest, then the shore water should be the clearest, right? It should have less runoff and less sediment.
 
When I did my open water certification in 1982 down in PR, there were some really nice shore dives with decent viz (60+) in Vega Baja (north shore), Arecibo (north-northwest) and in Aguadilla (northwest - used to be part of Ramey AFB, I think) at a beach called Crash Boat. The last time I saw Crash Boat was around 2003 and it was yucky milky green.

The dive site there is called Los Pilones (The Pilings). There were these steel trusses out there in about 60 ft. of water that at one time probably supported a pretty substantial pier, and there was a lot of growth on the steel beams.

During the winter, however, there is typically a northerly swell, and beaches in the northwest become surfing beaches. Rincon is pretty well known in the surfing world.

Perhaps starting a thread on PR shore dives under the Caribbean forum might get you a few hits from locals who are more up to date on what's out there. I know that there used to also be some shore dives right in San Juan itself. After all, a lot of the pool exercises associated with getting certified, as well as the certification open water dives themselves, were done on shore dives. I can also email a few friends down there to see what they have in mind.

As far as the southern coast being more clear, maybe, but I would steer you towards the southwest because I've seen the inshore waters in Ponce and east of Ponce and they're nothing to write home about. Here again, not unless you have a boat to at least get you out to the mangrove islands that are along the coast or beyond.

There is a nice little island with a lighthouse on top just offshore of Ponce (15-20 minute boat ride) called Coffin Island. Seen from a distance and at the proper angle, it looks like a cadaver - hence the name Coffin Island. The lighthouse in the middle adds a little bit of folklore to the island name.

In the southwest, Guanica, La Parguera, Cabo Rojo, and Boqueron are all coastal towns that may offer the somewhat decent shore diving. The 20 mile wall that was alluded to in the Scuba Diving article is along this coast.

The phenomena that causes the phosphoresence is due to planktonic organisms that glow when the water is stirred. This of course is seen at night, and preferably under a moonless sky. Because the one in PR sees a lot more tourists/visitors in comparison to the other two offshore islands, conservation rules have been established that govern what can or can't be done as a visitor on the Phosphorescent Bay at La Parguera.

I believe that these rules are a lot more restrictive in the one at La Parguera, such that you can get out there on a boat, but you might not be able to get in; whereas at least in Vieques, and as of last year, they would still let you get into the water. I don't think that they would allow you to dive, but I don't know that for a fact.
 
I think that's a small list of what make PR so attractive to me...the diversity.

I'll try what you suggested and make a post in the PR section about the shore diving to see what I get back.

I've been doing a little research as to places to stay when I visit and it looks like you can get some great deals doing vacation rentals. I've found some great looking places by Rincon and Ponce I'm going to check out.

I'll have to do a little research on exactly what and where I would be allowed to dive while there due to regulations.

Thanks for the info.
 
I moved to PR about 7 months ago primarily for the diving and the warm weather. I'm a scuba instructor here in the Palmas Del Mar/ Fajardo area. I speak little Spanish,but can get around easily. I love almost everything about the island except the beurocracy, and the public services like power and telephone-they can be frustrating ! The diving ranges from pleasant to excellent. There are a number of regions in PR thatoffer diferent climates-Rain forest, Dry Forest, Mountain, and Urban. I would rent a car and spend about 2 weeks diving and driving arround the island. Then decide where you wn to live. PR cost of living is about the same as the States.
 

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