Looking for advice for intro to cave/cave 1 equivalent

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Hopefully this is the right place!

I am a diver who is rescue certified and gue - fundies (Tech), me and my buddy are looking to forward our journey this year (They are rescue - Gue fundies (Rec)

The obvious choice might seem like GUE and I'd love too, but the worlds going to **** and money is tighter then ever, GUE not being the cheapest sadly it's about time we part ways (Several hundred to over a thousand more per course will add up, let alone in the long run)

We are unsure exactly what org we want to go with, and in the end instructor matters the most, but to try and help thin things down:

-The org needs to carry enough weight, it will provide no issues but in special circumstances

-The org must not require us to go through another fundies, it's fine if they just want to make sure our fundies passes are solid (If it forces you too go through another fundies if you just got the rec rating, but not the tech, this is fine, we can get his pass upgraded)

-The org needs to be price competitive in the space, I know tech certs are not cheap, but 2500 for cave 1 is a lot (Yes, I know cave 1 may permit more things), this needs to stay the same down the line too (So cave 2 or their naming of it, full cave, etc needs to still be priced competitively)

-Ideally it allows cross overs to other orgs, this isn't a must, just a nice to have.

-It will require no major equipment revamps, our kit is DIR, changing some bungee on a light is fine for example.

That is all I can come up with, as for the instructor.

-Must teach in Europe, ideally does the cave in France (Mexico would add more cost)

That is all, really.

Based on these things, does anyone have any good instructor(s) they can recommend and under what org they fall/why? ^^

Thank you so much in advance
 
That doesn't tell me a whole lot, why? What instructor, if any ?
(Not that I should be giving any advice on cave diving) if you decide to look into ISE, try Florian Symoens
He’s ISE & RAID affiliated, based in Belgium and I hear lots of good things (from other cave divers)

Just my 0.5c
Now back to :popcorn: and reading inputs from more knowledge folk
 
Hopefully this is the right place!

I am a diver who is rescue certified and gue - fundies (Tech), me and my buddy are looking to forward our journey this year (They are rescue - Gue fundies (Rec)

The obvious choice might seem like GUE and I'd love too, but the worlds going to **** and money is tighter then ever, GUE not being the cheapest sadly it's about time we part ways (Several hundred to over a thousand more per course will add up, let alone in the long run)

We are unsure exactly what org we want to go with, and in the end instructor matters the most, but to try and help thin things down:

-The org needs to carry enough weight, it will provide no issues but in special circumstances

-The org must not require us to go through another fundies, it's fine if they just want to make sure our fundies passes are solid (If it forces you too go through another fundies if you just got the rec rating, but not the tech, this is fine, we can get his pass upgraded)

-The org needs to be price competitive in the space, I know tech certs are not cheap, but 2500 for cave 1 is a lot (Yes, I know cave 1 may permit more things), this needs to stay the same down the line too (So cave 2 or their naming of it, full cave, etc needs to still be priced competitively)

-Ideally it allows cross overs to other orgs, this isn't a must, just a nice to have.

-It will require no major equipment revamps, our kit is DIR, changing some bungee on a light is fine for example.

That is all I can come up with, as for the instructor.

-Must teach in Europe, ideally does the cave in France (Mexico would add more cost)

That is all, really.

Based on these things, does anyone have any good instructor(s) they can recommend and under what org they fall/why? ^^

Thank you so much in advance
You need a new hobby where you will meet sidemount cave divers and find a more affordable path.
Now, this path starts with no water.
 
-It will require no major equipment revamps, our kit is DIR, changing some bungee on a light is fine for example.
Oh, sorry. ESF/FSE might not cut it... Backmount and european caves might not always be a happy marriage.
-Must teach in Europe, ideally does the cave in France (Mexico would add more cost)
Sounds like CMAS, founded in France :D
There are many organizations, PSAI, CMAS, NAUI, IANTD, TDI, ... but you really need to pick a good instructor who actually does cave dives.
 
So GUE is the only way to do it right?

There are no other orgs out there, no other instructors?

Seems a bit strange?

imho

As far as orgs go, there is only "GUE" and "Others", meaning that the name of the org is irrelevant unless its GUE. So if you want to go the way of choosing org that carries weight and then instructor - GUE is the only way that makes sense

Now, the only real advantage of GUE is that you are 99% guaranteed to get a great course regardless of who is your instructor (which is why you pay the premium). If you don’t want to pay extra and instead go with "Others" (which is what I did), its 100% about who is your instructor, and its 100% on you to do your research about the person.

SB is great for choosing US and Mexico instructors simply because there are way more reviews about them here; not so much for EU. There is "French SB" Plongeur.com - Le site de la plongée sous marine and maybe you will find more info there. I don't know how active that forum is, if at all. That said, there are some EU cave divers here and it might be best to dig thru different threads to find them and to reach out directly
 

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