Logistics of planning a week long liveaboard, coming from NYC and AMS

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keesmon

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Hi all,
I'm trying to put together our yearly Easter trip, this time to southern Egypt, or Sudan.
I'm flying in from NYC, and my buddy from AMS.
Previous trips have been to Bonaire, Curacao, and Utila
Can anyone tell me approximately what time i need to be in the departure city, and what time I am back?
Do the boats depart in the morning or in the evening?
What time on the last day do the boats return?
I'm trying to figure out if I should fly to AMS (where my family lives) and meet up with my buddy there, or just meet in Marsa Alam, or Port Sudan.
That leads me to another question: Who flies to these cities?
Kayak does not seem to have any flights to these cities.
Is this something that is done only by travel agents, or can I book this myself?
Thanks in advance.
Kees
 
Hi,

For flights to Marsa Alam (RMF) from AMS or nearby BRU or DUS, check out this web-site : Marsa Alam Flights There should be plenty of flights to choose from and you can book your flight individually through the airlines web-site. Transavia, Jetair, TuiFly, Condor, Air Berlin in that order. Or fly Egyptair via Cairo. Don't forget Easter is a busy european holiday time .


Hurghada airport is the more popular destination nearest to Marsa Alam but a solid 3 hour road transfer away. Marsa Alam proper is a insignificant small egyptian working town with no western style infrastructure to speak off , there isn't even a harbour (in construction) the passengers are transferred from shore to the boats by RIB. The airport is 1 hour away from here, opposite to the airport is the new Port Ghalib resort 10 minutes away and I understand some boats leave from here as well. ..:: Port Ghalib ::..


I have not been on a liveaboard and imagine the boats would leave in the morning the sun rises early and also goes down early 6AM - 6PM approx. I have no info about the Sudan but lot's of info here: http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/red-sea/429402-where-go-dahab.html
 
I'd suggest you pick an itinerary/boat first, and direct some of these questions to them, especially for Sudan. Other than Royal Evolution, which leaves out of Marsa Alam in Egypt, the other boats go from Port Sudan. When I went to Sudan last October, there was only one airlines...a Sudanese airline whose name I can't remember, that flew the route, and you could only either buy it in Cairo or have the boat do it for you. The visa you'll need is similarly most easily obtained with help from the operator. For us, everyone was on the same flight from Cairo and we set sail as we arrived in Port Sudan Flying into Hurghada, where most Red Sea boats leave from, or Marsa Alam is easy. The last poster gave you great advice on flying into these cities--Kayak isn't going to pick up a lot of European budget carriers. One advantage to taking them is that you can bypass Cairo and fly direct. As to departure and arrival times for Egyptian Red Sea boats, I'd say from the ones I've done it depends...on the arrival times of all the passengers mostly. The first day sails aren't usually that great. For returns everyone I've been on has gotten back into port the night before the given end date of the tour, and you disembark in the morning.


Since you're in the US, in my experience there aren't a lot of stateside agencies that book a wide variety of Red Sea boats. I've used www.aquatours.com, a British company, with good success...if nothing else you can get a good idea of some of the boats and itineraries. The best Red Sea boat operator, in my opinion, is Blueotwo..great company. You can find them at www.blueotwo.com.
 
Great information guys.
So it's safe to say that the boat departs in the morning, or early afternoon on the first day of the itinerary?
It would seem then that I would need to arrive the evening before sailing in order to make it in time.
It seams many flights from Europe arrive mid afternoon, so do people arrive the day before sailing?
Great to know that the boat returns to port the evening before the end of the cruise, so that I know an AM departure is possible.
There are so many ways to approach the travel to and from Egypt, but it seems that it will be simpler for me to get to AMS first, meet up with my buddy, and arrange the trip from Europe.
That seems to be the more established way.
It also appears that since I haven't gone diving in the Red Sea, Southern Egypt may be an easier itinerary to arrange then Sudan.
Would the Southern Egypt, St. Johns Itinerary be a nice way to pop my Red Sea cherry?
The reason that I cannot pick the vessel yet, has everything to do with the flights.
I'm bound to the US Easter vacation schedule, and I have about 10 days total away from NYC, so the sailing schedule has to fit pretty well within those dates.
Once again, thanks for the advice. For someone who hasn't gone diving in that part of the world, I have a lot of rookie questions.
Can't wait to get to dive related questions once the logistics are squared away.
 
Hi there

Another option , sorry , would be for you to both go to London and get a package tour from there. Despite the searing heat of a British summer ( not ) many of us like nothing more than a week's diving in the Red Sea, so there are several very good companies that do this route. The southern trips we have seen with the afore mentioned Blue O 2 leave from Gatwick on Friday lunchtime and return very early Saturday morning of the following week. There are other companies but for some reason the boats from Sharm have Saturday departures.

The flight and boat trip and all your diving should cost about £1000 sterling . The diving in the Red Sea is awesome !
 
Personally, if I were to pick one Red Sea itinerary, it would be something along the lines of the "Simply the Best" route that Blueotwo runs. Tippytoes gives a great suggestion..and in fact the company I mentioned (aquatours) does air inclusive package leaving from Gatwick (although I didn't do air inclusive). Just keep in mind that most flights from the US going into London go into Heathrow, and you've got to give yourself several additional hours to get over to Gatwick if plan on connecting in/out on the same day. You mention it being the most established way to come in via Europe..I wouldn't necessarily say that..you'll just find that the Red Sea is so close to Europe that 90% of the people going are from there so by virtue of that most people will be coming from there on any trip you join. You could just arrange your flights to Cairo via the many carriers that fly there (via Kayak or what have you), and then go to the Egyptair website to book r/t air to Hurghada (if that's where the LOB leaves from), a route with lots of daily departures and usually pretty cheap. I'd say that's actually an easier way to book your ticket all at once rather than having to match up an international flight from the US on a major carrier to another international flight from Europe on likely a budget carrier that might mean having to switch airports in some European city. I've always just flown direct to Cairo coming from the States. You are limited by Easter vacation, but i don't know if your friend has any such limitations..just sounds like maybe a whole lot more to coordinate, and limit optinos, if you also have to deal with meeting up in a specific place like Amsterdam to fly to Egypt. May be better for you and far easier for you both just to find you're own way there. Just a thought.

I wouldn't fixate on doing the air first..I'd actually pick a couple of boats and departures you are interested in, then look "backwards" to see where air most make sense. Find out from the boats what time they expect to leave and return, and make sure which port...most will leave from Hurghada, some will leave from Marsa Alam, or a few might go in one and out the other. From a practical standpoint there are far more flights in/out of Hurghada. I think this will open up more options, and the process probably resulting in picking the best one, than getting flights and then having to find a liveaboard that "matches it." Again here I'd recommend Blueotwo, not just for the reasons already mentioned, but because they run 4 boats....thereby likely you only have to email one company than maybe multiple companies that only run one boat.

Only the boat you choose can tell you for sure what time a boat is expected to leave and return..just ask in your first email. I think you'll find boats are pretty flexible and it just depends on when their passengers are arriving...as so many of the passengers are coming on a short flight from Europe, plenty of times I've seen people just arrive then come on the boat..not having to come in the night before. But if I'm coming in all the way from the US, I personally do like to fly in the day before a trip just to relax and get over jet lag, and a day to decompress after the LOB.
 
Thanks everyone,
We booked a week at Brothers, Daedelus, and Elphinstone with the Alter Ego through a Dutch company through liveaboards.nl
They are arranging the travel from Amsterdam to the boat and everything in between. I'm adding on the round trip NY-AMS on my own.
 
Thanks everyone,
We booked a week at Brothers, Daedelus, and Elphinstone with the Alter Ego through a Dutch company through liveaboards.nl
They are arranging the travel from Amsterdam to the boat and everything in between. I'm adding on the round trip NY-AMS on my own.

Fantastic choice , I've just had a week at the Brothers and Elphinstone. It was awesome , we saw a thresher, hammerheads, loads of grey reef sharks and lots and lots of other wonderful marine creatures. The reefs down there are fantastic and we saw dolphins from the boat several times. By all accounts Deadalus is even better , with even more sharks.

Have a wonderful trip.
 

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