LDS vs. Internet

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Internet, hands down, period. Those of us diving "pre-internet" (yes, there was such a time) spent years being gouged by LDSs, as there was no other option. They have ALL had years to fix their business models and compete with the online retailers. If they don't, then they deserve to go under. Business = life...adapt and overcome.
 
I'm sure this has been discussed before but I couldn't find it so I apologize in advance.

I can save $500 or more buying online vs. my LDS. The sites I'm looking at are approved by the manufacturer for sales. Why shouldn't I buy online?

Thanks in advance.

Service.

Service is the only item an LDS can offer that internet guy doesn't do a great job of.

You should expect to receive service from the LDS:

1. The equipment should be bench tested and adjusted prior to delivery to you.
2. The the equipment should be adjusted and fitted to you.
3. Use of the equipment, especially computers, should be throughly explained to you and some LDS provide a free computer specialty course with you purchase.

$500 sounds like a lot to me, but I wouldn't necessarily ask them to match the internet price.

I'd go back and tell the shop they need to sharpen their pencils a bit. Dive shops aren't selling much in the way of dive packages these days and you'll probably find they are willing to discount rather than you walking out the door.
 
I have also had internet scuba businesses "throw in" items routinely just as a "thank you". Never had that in all my years buying from any LDS...not even so much as a sticker.
 
One line that doesn't hurt when purchasing something:

"is that the best you can do?" :idk: Sometimes you'll be surprised by the result.


I've purchased from my LDS, online, other people's LDS's (i.e. shops in the Keys, shops that are local to others, but sell online) I've spread my hard earned dollars around, my LDS gets my gear for it's annuals, and there's another guy that broke off from the LDS that gets my business for fills, and any future training I need.

There's enough gear to buy so that you CAN do this type of business. I don't fall into the "if you don't patronize this place, they'll go out of business" philosophy..there's money to be made by everyone. If the market ISN'T there, the business will fail.

Maybe the local shops need to be proactive and BECOME internet businesses! Look at ScubaToys, look at Northeast Scuba Supply, they are LDS's that went one step further.
 
Maybe the local shops need to be proactive and BECOME internet businesses! Look at ScubaToys, look at Northeast Scuba Supply, they are LDS's that went one step further.

What a novel idea.
 
In recent decades all sorts of competition has sprung up to compete with local stores. Long before the internet we saw "discount warehouses" such as Costco and Sams, where all the staff see are boxes piled high, and don't have a clue what's in them. But they can sell more cheaply, because they don't have the massive extra costs of employing knowledgeable and experienced staff. The internet is no different.

Since this trend started every specialist hi-fi shop in London, a massive city, has closed. There's now nowhere you can go to get informed advice and actually see and hear products (I say "nowhere", but one or two niche shops have appeared, all selling a very limited range and often sponsored by a single manufacturer). Camera shops have resisted a bit longer, largely because the manufacturers have supported them in refusing to honour "grey imports". Bike shops have largely gone, as someone said earlier. Scuba shops have greatly diminished, and now your "local" store may be a long drive away. There are now large areas of the UK where no shops remain, including near some prime diving sites, so it's impossible to buy air.

Perhaps it's most pronounced with bookshops. In Oxford, my old home town, there is an enormous bookshop called Blackwells. For my whole life they have been there, with massive stocks of books for you to browse, and staff composed entirely of people with higher degrees in the subject they are handling (there is no such thing there as a generic "shop assistant"). Yet shops like Borders opened up nearby, with very limited stocks of safe uncontroversial books, and sapped the bread-and-butter business. Blackwells are pretty cute and have fought back well, competing on the internet stage, but inevitably they've had to close several branches and cut back on stocking books they are unlikely to sell. The result is a shop that is still superb but has lost some of its magic. With the growth of Amazon the pressure on Blackwells is steadily increasing, and it may not be long before they can't afford to staff their shops with PhDs. Then we will all have lost. Many other bookshops, without the resources or knowhow of Blackwells have gone to the wall in the last 20-30 years, having survived in several cases for 100-200 years.

Back to dive gear. Did no-one spot what I said earlier about the quality of gear having dropped markedly over recent years? I've run a retail scuba gear shop for quite a few years and I can tell you it's something that became very apparent to me. I stopped selling Uwatec computers when the "dead-in-the-box" %age reached 50%. What do you do when your gear arrives, possibly a new design you're not familiar with, and so far as you can see it doesn't work but you're not quite sure whether that's so or why? Or it works but poorly, like most new regulators these days. Who's going to help you sort it out? If you're a member of an active dive club you may be able to give each other mutual support, but otherwise you're on your own - most dealers won't provide warranty work on gear purchased over the internet (or from "discount warehouses"), because those suppliers were paid by the manufacturer to check and sort out new gear but choose instead to use that money to give themselves a competitive advantage. They'll work on the gear, but at full retail rates.
 
In a sport that beats the "buddy concept" like a dead horse, one would think that networking with a club or associates who have the skills to service equipment would be a no brainer. The internet is the great "leveler". It did the same thing to price-gouging auto parts people who cornered the market on "impossible to find" car parts that they charged a fortune for. Now anyone can find any part on the www. Free enterprise at work.
 
An LDS will often try to match the online price. I've had mine do this when I brought it up. I'll also accept the 20% markup when I want an item right now and not in a few days.

A good LDS will do what an online store cannot. That would be to foster a community of divers and teach a variety of classes. My LDS teaches intro to scuba all the way to expedition trimix rebreather diving. Many times they also offer me a beer when I come in.

In fact, I was told by an employee at my particular LDS that they don't even worry about pushing their tech gear (which is good gear by the way) to a tech student. Rather they work to help a tech student optimize his own gear to meet his diving needs, whether from the store or not. Obviously they would love the students to by gear from them if possible.
 
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