Lack of commitment from students?

[Rick Inman]

Touche' LOL!!! I take it you haven't seen the materials written by NWGD.

BTW Rick--when are you gonna get certified, or are you just gonna keep diving without being certified

No, I haven't seen his materials, but I would LOVE to!

As far as getting certified, I didn't think that was a requirement for posting like I know it all. Also, if you look at my profile, you'll see I have 2 BOW C-cards, an AOW C-Card, a nitrox C-Card and a Rescue C-card. I just collect cards, I don't really like to dive.
Seriously, I don't log my dives, and the choices require "logged" dives.

 

[fmw625]

I don't know how serious I was when getting my c-card. I just know that I worked the workbook well ahead of time, made excellent scores on all my written tesr, but had a few problems to overcome. I went to all the extra pool sessions offered, I did my OW in a BCD that was too small and a regulator that I thought I couldn't breath thru in my first closed water dive. I managed to perform all the OW task to satisfaction of my instructors over two days. I was glad to recieve my c-card I worked so hard for. On my next dive I had to recover my regulator and clear my mask. I was so greatful that my instructors required the extra effort.

 

[Mako Mark]

Scuba manuals used to be filled with math, physics, physiology... Boyle's and Henry's laws. Now they've got cartoons, sections on color-coordinated gear and travel tips. And the books look very similar in style to the "...For Dummies" books. Gee, I wonder why the students don't take the class seriously.

Yeah, PADI took the educational strategy of including pictures and cartoons and humor from NASA, as that was how they were training their astronauts five PhD's wortth of information in three or four years training for a mission. And just look at NASA, they can hardly even land on mars!!!!! (rolls eyes)

Instructors have the option of not issuing a C-Card afterall it is their name as the certifying instructor. .

Actually, they have no option whatsoever, either the student mastered all the objectives, or they didnt. if they mastered all the objecties the instructor has no option but to certify them. If they didnt, the instructor has no option but to fail them or give remedial training until they do master all the objectives.

Quite frankly, it is a matter of life or death in our sport..

I never thought of combat as a sport, not since they closed the collosium anhyow..

 

[Scot M]

I've seen an entire OW class of twelve no-show for their first classroom session. We're talking about people who have already paid for the class. The instructor did paperwork for an hour and then went home. I still haven't figured those people out.

 

[SeanQ]

I've seen an entire OW class of twelve no-show for their first classroom session. We're talking about people who have already paid for the class. The instructor did paperwork for an hour and then went home. I still haven't figured those people out.

Talk about easy money! I bet those people wouldn't be happy if somebody stole $300 from them; yet, they're willing to pay $300 for a class and not bother to show up. Go figure. :wallywink

 

[Kriterian]

I had hoped that in an area like scuba,where the sign-up for the class is because you "want" to learn the subject, things would be different.
sad to hear that it's not.

I think it's more likely that they're signing up because they want to be allowed to dive. Most people are too lazy to actually work for what they want. Hence the disappointment when it comes time to turn in the knowledge reviews.

 

[fast97rs]

I can't believe that people are actually taking these classes and not bothering to show and interest, or do the required work and learning and expect to take a c-card home!!!!

I don't know but when i did my OW cert. not too long ago... all i did was sleep, eat, and even go to the bathroom with my NAUI book...... it never left my side... i still keep it on the boat.... i read each chapter about 3 times and some even 4.....

I love the ocean... but understood that i was taking my life into my hands when i did this.... so i need to be the best that i could be so that i may survive..... and thinking about your buddy.... God... i couldn't live with myself knowing i failed my buddy because i was not prepared... or because i didn't learn something i should have!

I don't understand these people.... i had one i my OW class... and to my and the instructors view.... she thought that the dive master / dive leader was in charge of everything and all that she had to do was swim and enjoy.... (watchin her gas consumption, bottom time, and what not....)..... thank god our instructor just asked her to leave... refunded her money and never saw her again.... he is a real stand up guy.....

Just my $.02

Jorgy

 

[FCDrifter]

in december my mom had gotten me scuba lessons. christmas day i had read the entire book and understood the vast majority of it(with the exception of dive tables)
when it came time to do my water agility test the water temp in the pool couldnt have been more than 65 degrees...it was cold!!!. i havent been diving since my checkout dives at devils den but i think its warmed up a little since in florida.

would doing your water agility test in 65 degree water w/ only a bathing suit be considered crazy or a strong desire to learn and succeed when it come to diving?

 

[skeet]

I'm posting this because of a point brought up in a similar thread.

I have noticed in the recent months, that students seem to be taking Scuba courses less and less seriously. I can pretty much guarantee, if I run an OW course with 5 people, 3 won't have their Knowledge reviews done when requested, and 3 (not necessarily the same 3) will have to back out of doing the OW dives because it doesn't suit them, but then give out when they're told there will be an extra fee involved in getting them certified as it will probably end up being one to one tuition.

Is it just me? Or are students starting to expect "show up and get certified?"

SF

If the cert agencies would make such requirements for INSTRUCTURES as being well employed and financially stabil this trend could be halted. If you havent come across the volume oriented inst. yet just give it a very little time.

 

[Firebrand]

I've seen an entire OW class of twelve no-show for their first classroom session. We're talking about people who have already paid for the class. The instructor did paperwork for an hour and then went home. I still haven't figured those people out.

Or maybe the instructor didn't announce the class time to the students. An entire class of No-Shows seems to point to a lack of communication, rather than an entire class of bad students.