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Well folks this weekend May 3rd and 4th is the first Try Ride weekend for the SUEX XJOY 2, 7, and 37. Looking forward to you stopping by the SUEX pop-up tent on the peninsula to see the scooters and maybe take a try ride.
See you there!
JGLOW
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I don't know of any of my friends who scooter dive being dpv certified unless they are seasoned cave divers. They are the only ones with any kind of dpv certification.
 
I don't know of any of my friends who scooter dive being dpv certified unless they are seasoned cave divers. They are the only ones with any kind of dpv certification.

Hi Randy G,

DPV certifications are offered by every certification agency just like navigation, deep diver, peak performance buoyancy and the hundred other certifications they offer. You can purchase a DPV and dive it without being certified however if you plan to dive that scooter off of a dive boat the Captain will require that you have a scooter certification. It's all about liability.

Cheers
JGLOW
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DPV certifications are offered by every certification agency just like navigation, deep diver, peak performance buoyancy and the hundred other certifications they offer.

And like many of those hundred other certifications, they're a pointless money grab.

You can purchase a DPV and dive it without being certified however if you plan to dive that scooter off of a dive boat the Captain will require that you have a scooter certification.

This is complete horse:censored:. If some dumbass captain or DM demands to see a card for you to use your own DPV on their trip, you need to find another boat. Next we'll be having separate c-cards in order to be able to dive can lights or high-powered fins or pony bottles.

It's all about liability.

No, it's all about trying to force divers to buy a meaningless c-card they simply don't need. The idea that someone needs a DPV cert before they can safely navigate around Dutch Springs quarry on one of these glorified pool toys you're hocking is pretty funny, but has no grounding in reality. Good luck with your sales, though.
 
Hi Randy G,

if you plan to dive that scooter off of a dive boat the Captain will require that you have a scooter certification. It's all about liability.

Sorry but I have to call BS on that also. I have dove with my scooter all over Florida, NC and Virginia and no one has ever asked for a cert card for a dpv.

But then again, I don't show up wearing a snorkle on my mask either as most training agency teach you to do. :wink:
 
And like many of those hundred other certifications, they're a pointless money grab.



This is complete horse:censored:. If some dumbass captain or DM demands to see a card for you to use your own DPV on their trip, you need to find another boat. Next we'll be having separate c-cards in order to be able to dive can lights or high-powered fins or pony bottles.



No, it's all about trying to force divers to buy a meaningless c-card they simply don't need. The idea that someone needs a DPV cert before they can safely navigate around Dutch Springs quarry on one of these glorified pool toys you're hocking is pretty funny, but has no grounding in reality. Good luck with your sales, though.



All due respect, it's not meaningless. Now a dpv in Dutch - no NDL depth concerns, clear water, lots of people around.... Sure no need for a DPV c card. I agree.

But how about a dive to 130 feet in the Keys near a wreck? Yes! In a cave at 2000 feet of penetration and 120 feet of depth- you bet! How about on a boat dive 15 miles from shore in the northeast Atlantic with 5 foot swells that can obscure you and even your SMB... Hell yes

First in recreational scuba a scooter has the ability to quickly take you deeper than you should be, it can also take you further from the boat you departed from, and race you to the surface too fast, risking DCS. like stage diving training understanding use of a dpv includes speed and distance calculations, as well as battery consumption rates - these are critical elements to proper DPV dives. If a DPV fails it can strand you too far from where you should be, if it floods and is attached it can pull you below recreational and safe levels,even drown you. There are MANY good reasons for taking a DPV course and even more reasons to quit the mantra of "put another dollar in" criticisms. They don't apply here or in Tec diving.

Second, DPVs used in technical environments most DEFINITELY require training, cave use of a dpv is inherently hazardous and both safety and raises serious conservation issues. Such training is critical for the safety of the diver and protection of cave environment.

For what it's worth...


Dan-O

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Sorry but I have to call BS on that also. I have dove with my scooter all over Florida, NC and Virginia and no one has ever asked for a cert card for a dpv.

But then again, I don't show up wearing a snorkle on my mask either as most training agency teach you to do. :wink:

A captain of a boat has the right to proof of certification of ANY diver, for the dive they are doing. No one would argue that a guy with stage bottle and O2 bottles on him could be asked for his Tec rating, or a diver heading to 130 feet for his AOW card, or if diving with Nitrox a Nitrox card, or Trimix a Trimix card?

A dpv is a tool that increases risk while diving. If an operator wants proof of proficiency he is more than entitled to it. It's HIS boat- if you don't like his rules buy your own boat or find another...

But I call BS on anyone telling a boat operator how HE should operate HIS business. You don't pay his bills, pay his insurance, or have to deal with idiot lawsuits he gets cause some boneheaded diver THINKS he knows what he's doing when he kills himself on a dive.



Dan-O

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Suffice to say we're not talking about training for operating a DPV in the context of technical diving - this is more about the generic rec scuba DPV "certification."

None of the DPV-specific dive planning aspects you mention merit a separate certification. They're what you learn on your own before you dive a DPV so you don't wind up swimming back your expensive new toy, abandoning it, or just not making it back at all. A heavy set of doubles has the ability to sink you faster than you'd expect and to let you stay deep enough long enough to have some real deco issues. There's no need for a doubles diver certification, though there's a need to not unthinkingly dive doubles. You really think there's a need for a mandatory class to teach people that if their scooter floods and is pulling them down, they need to cut the :censored:ing tow rope before they become a bottom feature?

There are MANY good reasons for taking a DPV course and even more reasons to quit the mantra of "put another dollar in" criticisms. They don't apply here or in Tec diving.

They do indeed apply here. And sadly, they're increasingly showing up in the tech realm, which is pretty unfortunate given the importance of most tech training versus the potential for money grab course progression design to make a new tech diver look at the entire slate of courses and decide they're all equally worthless.
 
If I could get out today to Dutch - would be curious to try out the "newer" Suex.

As per certs on scooters - definitely useful in the context of technical / cave. I can say this having been trained on scooter for cave diving (GUE). All sorts of crap can happen with doubles, breathers, bailouts, tunnels, debris and buddies in that arena. As per any NE captain asking me for a cert. - never. That said - better know what you are doing with these things if you are using them in a situation where there is a ceiling (this includes deco.) or others somewhat dependent upon what you do.

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If someone wants the card, then by all means get the card. I have the dvd and have learned from enough instructors the rights and wrong way to ride the things. For recreation I do not see the need, for Tech dives ie Cave..... HELL YES! Then again we dive as a dpv team and practice towing a disabled dpv, ooa disabled dpv, lost diver proto calls, ect, ect. For what it's worth, we have only done wreck dives in Va, Fl and NC off a boat and beach dive with the dpv's.

And if a boat capt does not want me on their boat, NO PROBLEM. I'll take my money someplace else. There are other dive boats that will allow a seasoned tech diver with a high dollar dpv onboard without a dpv card.
 
Yes, the first SUEX, SCUBAGLOW XJOY2, XJOY7, and XJO37 Scooter Try Ride weekend was held 3 - 4 May 2014 at Dutch Springs PA. Check out the amazing GOPRO video's taken with my HERO3+ Black Edition with BACKSCATTER MACROMATE COMBO WITH FLIP3.1 GREEN WATER DIVE FILTER.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwPQ...ature=youtu.be

We'll be conducting Scooter Try Rides again
next weekend 10 - 11 May at Dutch Springs so if you want to have some fun and excitement sign up at "http://www.signupgenius.com/index.cfm?go=s.SignupLogin&urlid=10C0B4AAAAD2DA6FA 7-dutch
"ENTER ACCESS CODE "SCUBAGLOW"

and select a time or drop me a PM or email at john@scubaglow.com.

JGLOW
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