Juliet trip report from repositioning cruise.

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WOODMAN

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Well, we just got back from a dive trip with the Juliet, and I have to say, this was a little different from what I expected. We have been with the Juliet before (reference my previous trip report here for details-) and despite her quirks, we have always had a special fondness for this operation. For those who are unfamiliar with her, she is a 3 masted sailing motor schooner (did I get that right, John?) which was originally built in Australia for the merchant cargo trade in the south pacific and Antarctica. John Beltramo obtained her and converted her to a dive yacht several years ago, and her exploits have been well reported here. She normally runs week long charters out of Miami (or thereabouts) and runs out into the northern Bahamas, the Florida Keys, and other related areas, except for the wintertime, when these areas become less comfortable to dive. He then "repositions" the boat down to Providenciales in the Turks & Caicos island group, and operates his week charters out of that area until late spring, when he brings the boat back up to Miami. The repositioning cruises are different from the usual ones, as they are 10 days long and involve covering a lot of open ocean in order to get her to her new port. I knew all this going in, and expected to get in a lot of diving during the day, while we hopped from one part of the Bahamas to the next on our trip down to Provo, with most actual distance being covered at night while the boat motored for long stretches. At least, that was the plan.
What we didn't count on was the weather being against us. We had a stiff East wind in our teeth virtually the entire trip, and this resulted in 2 problems. First, it slowed us waaay down, with our speed being cut in half for most of the trip. This meant more sailing and less diving in order to make our scheduled arrival in Provo. (Rats!) And secondly, this also meant rough seas and a very unstable ship for almost the entire trip. I suppose I am a spoiled landlubber, but holy cow- I felt like I was auditioning for a part in the next "Master and Commander" movie! That boat was in constant motion, with rocking back and forth, from side to side, and up and down. We rapidly learned not to move without hanging onto something, and got pretty good at slithering against walls and along rails. We really didn't have much problem with seasickness, (which really surprised me!) but we got beaten up pretty good. I would be lying in bed, for example, and a particularly nasty wave would hit us and shake the boat enough to actually lift me a few inches off the mattress and then slam me back down again. I have to admit, that got old pretty quick, and we didn't sleep particularly well at night. The crew did what they could, and tried putting up sail to help stabilize things, but we had to keep on trucking right into that wind and those waves, which pretty much negated their efforts. Even at the dive sites, the boat was rocking considerably, and exiting the water onto that metal stairway mounted at the side of the ship became an exercise in precision timing. Luckily, no-one got hurt on that ladder, but we certainly had a few close calls. And my heart goes out to our chef Will, who managed to produce superb meals in spite of severely adverse conditions. I don't know how many times we heard a massive clatter from the galley as a particularly wicked wave suddenly threw us about, and I wouldn't want John's bill for replacing broken crockery and such.
And how was the diving? Actually, pretty good. We ended up getting only 23 dives in, although we had hoped for more on a 10 day cruise. We did a couple of dives around Bimini and then Andros island, and then motored over to New Providence for a short shore leave and a night's mooring in Nassau harbor, but here again the fates conspired against us. We were working our way around in the harbor to line up for our dockage, when we got caught on an uncharted high spot in the center of the harbor which effectively grounded us on that 9 foot deep keel of ours. Despite heroic efforts from the entire crew, we couldn't get loose from that area until after midnight, and that put paid to our shore leave. Oh, well, we continued on past Highbourne Cay, and Eleuthera, and then down past Little San Salvador and Conception island. We motored past Rum cay and spent a couple of dives on the rarely visited Hogsty Wall. We finally got down to West Caicos island late on Dec. 4th, but only had time for a night dive here and then 3 dives squeezed in the next morning in the same place before our time ran out. Pity, as this was some of the best diving of the trip. And of course, once we got to West Caicos the wind died down and things smoothed out. Naturally. We flew out the next day, glad to be on solid ground again, but still strangely sad to see the trip end. Please don't get me wrong- I really like the boat, and the crew was superb, as usual. Rudy was captain for this trip (John was off on other business) and I don't envy him some of the decisions he had to make on this trip. The boat is fantastic for hopping around islands and finding sheltered coves for night moorings, but lengthy open ocean travel in unrelenting rough seas is not something I would recommend her for. Will I go back? Most probably, although not for that "repositioning" business. Once was enough for that. Woody
 
Good report. Thank you. The sea can turn from beautiful to torturous and lethal and some vessels are lost. I was looking at the Juliet until I saw the note that there is no refund if the boat does not sail due to the weather. On my financial level I cannot afford myself that risk. I hate flushing money with nothing to show for it. The weather is WAY too unpredictable.

Your report confirms some of my thoughts
 
I was looking at the Juliet until I saw the note that there is no refund if the boat does not sail due to the weather.

I think you will find a similar clause in the policies of almost every dive operation, not just liveaboards; and those who don't usually make a big point about it. Land-based operations are just as much at risk, and boats can move (somewhat) to get out of the way of weather and find sheltered areas. This case with the Juliet was an unusual situation due to the enforced traveling requirement, and we had to sail right through that stuff to get where we had to be. If it hadn't been for that, we could have found sheltered dive sites and mooring areas and dodged about 90% of that garbage. The point is, diving is primarily an ocean-based activity, and it is always at the mercy of the weather. This is part of the risk associated with the sport, and it comes with the territory. And you will note, that in spite of conditions on this trip, we managed to get 23 dives in. This goes a long way to show the Juliet's commitment to her guests, and I think it would take a flat-out tropical storm or worse to actually stop her. And that would stop everyone else as well. The problem of putting up with bad weather while diving has been exhaustively discussed here before and I will not belabor it further, except to advise you not to write the Juliet off just due to this. If you ask John how often he has actually had to cancel a cruise, and what he has done for the people involved as a result, I think you will be surprised. Don't give up yet... Woody
 
I think you will find a similar clause in the policies of almost every dive operation

I do not think so. That has not been my experience in well over 100 charters.

The policy I typically find is, if the boat does not go due to weather, you do not pay.

If the boat goes, and you are a no-show, you pay.

The way I read the Juliet's policy is you pay whether the boat goes or not.

I like everything I see online about the operation except that one bug-a-boo.

I have had many cases where high seas have kept my charter dockside. I some of those cases it cost me travel and accommodations, but not charter fees.
 
Thanks for posting this! Been on Juliet twice and have always wondered about the repositioning cruises.

I'm still interested but it helps me in making my decision.
 
good reporting....but it IS winter and it WAS a repositioning cruise. I think you were lucky to get 23 dives in. I'm going on Juliet end of January (yes, it's still winter but I'm coming prepared) and again next June from Miami. I like everything about Juliet--the size, the uniqueness, the itinerary and so far, most of the crew that I've met (I hang around the dock in Miami on Friday's sometimes during my lunch hour). I'm really looking forward to my 2 trips on Juliet....and I'm sure many more. I was attracted first by the convenience of leaving from Miami but then when I saw her tied up at the dock, my heart went out to her.....a really classy boat if you ask me.
 
My first Juliet cruise was 5 years ago; Bimini trip out of Miami in June. As luck would have it, there was an early season hurricane bearing down on the NW Bahamas. Capt. John kept an eye on its progress, got out the charts and motored us straight over to Nassau to get ahead of, and ultimately behind, the storm system. He could easily have cancelled the trip or made a big deal out of having to ding us for extra "fuel charges" but, instead, treated the whole matter as business as usual.

As a result, we had a delightful and memorable week diving our way back to Miami -- diving lots of sites we would have never visited. No matter what might (or might not) happen on a Juliet trip, you can always trust them to do the right thing. By the way, I'm booked again this upcoming June.
 
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I do not think so. That has not been my experience in well over 100 charters.

The policy I typically find is, if the boat does not go due to weather, you do not pay.

If the boat goes, and you are a no-show, you pay.

The way I read the Juliet's policy is you pay whether the boat goes or not.

I like everything I see online about the operation except that one bug-a-boo.

I have had many cases where high seas have kept my charter dockside. I some of those cases it cost me travel and accommodations, but not charter fees.

Thats what trip insurance is for. A mimimal and reasonable cost that covers any interruption for whatever reason a vacation is canceled. I dont travel anywhere without trip insurance. Ive been to land based dive ops where an erupting volcano kept all flights grounded going into and out of many islands, including Bonaire...where we were going. We arrived 3 days late, when flights resumed, and was charged for the whole week. Is that unreasonable? I felt it most certainly was and was quite unsympathetic. The news was not taken well by weary travelers that were circumnavigating a volcano for 3 days . However.... our trip insurance did cover our losses for those days.
 
I do not think so. That has not been my experience in well over 100 charters.

The policy I typically find is, if the boat does not go due to weather, you do not pay.

If the boat goes, and you are a no-show, you pay.

You are confusing charters with liveaboards, particularly the multi-day ones in warmer waters. As far as I've been able to find, most liveaboards require booking and payment in advance, although maybe some might allow a small number of last minute walk-ons who wouldn't have paid until then. And I haven't found any where you can get your money back for last-minute operator cancellations, although the better operators reportedly at least try to put you to a decent resort on land.
 

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