Is 130 ft too deep?

[TCDiver1]

Go back and read all of Curt's posts on this thread.
I find no reason in anything he wrote to believe he's not as serious as a heart attack about taking her to 160. Sure, the helium remark may have been in jest, but only
because he was taking so much flak over the initial proclamation.

I can't tell you where I think his thinking on this originates - last time I alluded to it it was deleted.

Well, Curts credentials in this type of diving & instruction are well known and established. Yours on the other hand are completely unknown. You have chosen to share nothing about your qualifications on this board that i have seen. You got zip in your profile.

So .... i believe that Curt is 100% capable in making such a decision and you are not. I have no doubt in my mind that he would not take someone on that dive, who wasn't ready for that dive. He has the creds to make such a decision. Do you?

 

[Jason B]

What is behind this willingness of people to blindly place their lives in the hands of others, with no empirical evidence of an incremental difference in objective capability, just because they have a title, an office, or some other credential?

this done everyday by just about everyone of us in some capacity. May not be dive related but it's happening everytime you get on the road, or in a plane, or go to a doctor, or eat something from a resturant, or watch a late night infomercial. I'm not saying it's right to do so, just that it isn't only a problem in the dive community.

 

[Mark Vlahos]

That's AWFULLY charitable.

Yes, you are right.

I tried to use the phrase "generally appropriate" to accurately portray my belief that it was not "entirely appropriate". I would probably have been more accurate if I had used the phrase "minimally appropriate" as it more accurately expresses my opinion. I was really working around the question about wether they headed to the surface at all or stayed at depth, this was the issue at the heart of my comment.

Mark Vlahos

 

[padiscubapro]

I haven't dived with many divers (ok none) who would be comfortable planning a dive based on an RMV of 0.35

Remeber its just a plan, if my turn pressure was reached earlier, then so be it... up I go...

I am not trying to be a cowboy, I am just being honest. I get very relaxed when I am diving and don't breate heavily..

I personally dislike OC very much but I do know what I need to get my self out of trouble. If you want to know the circomstances under which I DID the above dive I'll let you know in private. AT no time was any of the teams safety compromised.
I am not trying to encourage anyone to do the above but trying to point out EVERYONES requirements are different
and that pre dive Planning should be done..

 

[Curt Bowen]

That's it, put her on trimix without training.

Keep digging, Curt.

Ok

What about if I just put her in my Mixed Gas closed curcuit rebreather.

Run Heliox as the diluent so she has zero narcosis and run the constant PPO2's at 1.2?

Would this work then?


Dweeb, Only one question.

1. How many dives do you have teaching divers below 130 feet?

Its a simple question that only requires a number answer.

My guess would be "ZERO"

 

[MikeFerrara]

this done everyday by just about everyone of us in some capacity. May not be dive related but it's happening everytime you get on the road, or in a plane, or go to a doctor, or eat something from a resturant, or watch a late night infomercial. I'm not saying it's right to do so, just that it isn't only a problem in the dive community.

True to a point but when I get on a plane, I know for a fact that the pilot had to go through a process to qualify to captain that aircraft and that he's done it before.

I hate to break it to you but you can become an instructor with only a single dive below 60 ft (the one you did for your own AOW class). In other words you have absolutely no reason to believe that a DM on a recreational boat is qualified to or experienced in deep diving or instruction.

 

[MikeFerrara]

Remeber its just a plan, if my turn pressure was reached earlier, then so be it... up I go...

I am not trying to be a cowboy, I am just being honest. I get very relaxed when I am diving and don't breate heavily..

I personally dislike OC very much but I do know what I need to get my self out of trouble. If you want to know the circomstances under which I DID the above dive I'll let you know in private. AT no time was any of the teams safety compromised.
I am not trying to encourage anyone to fo the above but trying to point out EVERYONES requirements are different

Understood on all points.

I would be interested in hearing about the dive though.

 

[Curt Bowen]

True to a point but when I get on a plane, I know for a fact that the pilot had to go through a process to qualify to captain that aircraft and that he's done it before.

I hate to break it to you but you can become an instructor with only a single dive below 60 ft (the one you did for your own AOW class). In other words you have absolutely no reason to believe that a DM on a recreational boat is qualified to or experienced in deep diving or instruction.

This is true, and there are way to many instructors out there teaching subject matter they know zero about.

But, on the other hand. I have many cave diving buddies that are only AOW, plus their cave cert that are more than capable to dive in 200-300 feet. Some do not have their trimix cards, but have been diving trimix for 10 years.

There are no cave dive police where they dive, thus they feel they do not need a card.

I do not condone this, but I am also not their mommy.

 

[MikeFerrara]

So .... i believe that Curt is 100% capable in making such a decision and you are not. I have no doubt in my mind that he would not take someone on that dive, who wasn't ready for that dive. He has the creds to make such a decision. Do you?

Curt is no doubt more than qualified to make the dive and to teach at that depth. Though, I'm unaware of any qualifications he has that would qualify him to work with another diver, especially one with 30 dives (or whatever it was), outside the standards that define the bounds of his teaching qualifications.

Just as you are more than qualified to take an AOW student to 100 ft but you are NOT qualified to take an OW student to 100 ft. There just is no such qualification.

 

[MikeFerrara]

This is true, and there are way to many instructors out there teaching subject matter they know zero about.

But, on the other hand. I have many cave diving buddies that are only AOW, plus their cave cert that are more than capable to dive in 200-300 feet. Some do not have their trimix cards, but have been diving trimix for 10 years.

There are no cave dive police where they dive, thus they feel they do not need a card.

I do not condone this, but I am also not their mommy.

Me too. I know people who did OW and then cave and that's it.

Those divers though are oporating in a completely different worlds from the average recreational diver. In cave country you can find lots of very experienced and skilled divers with ver few c-cards in their pocket. In recreational land it's the oposite. You find divers with lots of cards in their pocket and no experience or skill.