Introduction to Technical Diving

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No kidding! I've got several IANTD tech cards, and I'm still not sure what they all mean. My latest one says trimix to 330', so I figure that will about cover anything I need to show a card for. But even moving through then classes, the instructor wasn't sure what was what, and even Patty Mount had difficulty giving consistent answers.

That said, I think intro to tech can be great through IANTD (Deep Diver / Advanced Nitrox combined class), if you have the right instructor. However, GUE's DIRF class is a sure winner, as should be NAUI intro to tech.

I think the OP is correct that the skills are worth it, even if you never move into any technical diving.

Rick... hope all well for you up NW!! Alan :)

One thing that Adv. Trimix card will not cover is when some knucklehead wants you to produce a SDI Solo Diver card in order for you to dive solo from their operation. LOL

I am gathering by your comments that you were not happy with your IANTD courses....least your last with Patty? Did you feel you got the training required at that advanced level from this instruction course.....or did you feel shorted?
 
I am gathering by your comments that you were not happy with your IANTD courses....least your last with Patty? Did you feel you got the training required at that advanced level from this instruction course.....or did you feel shorted?

Oh contrare! My training was over the top excellent! Over two years, I had one-on-one training form an amazing instructor and diver who became my friend and dive buddy. I was trained well beyond the IANTD prerequisites. It was IANTD's material that seemed a bit random, and their programs that seemed a little less than thought out. To be fair, they have made a few changes since then that have tightened things up a bit. All I am saying is that the IANTD quality is very instructor dependent. My particular instructor went beyond the IANTD training, and included much of what is trained in a GUE class, including the GUE standards, and protocols. For example, IANTD teaches that each diver should set up their kit in a manner that the diver feels best suits his/her needs and preferences. GUE teaches standardized equipment configuration, and so did my instructor, based on GUE's standards.

I couldn't have asked for better training.
 
Oh contrare! My training was over the top excellent! Over two years, I had one-on-one training form an amazing instructor and diver who became my friend and dive buddy. I was trained well beyond the IANTD prerequisites. It was IANTD's material that seemed a bit random, and their programs that seemed a little less than thought out. To be fair, they have made a few changes since then that have tightened things up a bit. All I am saying is that the IANTD quality is very instructor dependent. My particular instructor went beyond the IANTD training, and included much of what is trained in a GUE class, including the GUE standards, and protocols. For example, IANTD teaches that each diver should set up their kit in a manner that the diver feels best suits his/her needs and preferences. GUE teaches standardized equipment configuration, and so did my instructor, based on GUE's standards.

I couldn't have asked for better training.

That is good....I guess I read your first post a bit off your meaning. Always nice to feel one gets a good basis of instruction at all levels but partc. in those advanced stages of training....sounds like another job well done!
 
I dont think thats true. From the website you linked:

Advanced Nitrox Diver

This program is designed to extend the divers knowledge with O2 mixes of 22 to 40% and up to 50% for decompression. It further develops diving skills and provides a greater understanding of the Nitrox diving concept.


I *think* you need to do Technical Nitrox to get a card for 100% O2

I found IANTD far too confusing so I went with TDI

Really? Hmmm well I can only speak from when I went through the program and perhaps the instructor put more into our class. We did have equipment configuration sessions, intro to tech diving sessions, decompression procedures, etc. And sorry...but my IANTD Advanced Nitrox Card states to 100% O2. The 50% was what we used for deco dives during the course (that is how IANTD has their deco tables drawn up for the course) but when I went through normoxic we used 70%, again...that is what is on their dive tables. I do agree that the instructor makes the difference...but that is true of any dive course I think.

In the end....choose the agency you are most comfortable with and with an instructor that delivers the message and material.
 
Hmmm your card seems to disagree with the website.

I did my TDI Advanced Nitrox with Divetech in Cayman. My main reason for choosing TDI was to get a card for 100%
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Anyway as I said,IANTD just confused my little brain too much.
 
I think IANTDs "technical diver" combined with some sort of gas-certification like adv. rec. tmx would fit your bill nicely...

It seems to me that you couldn´t care less what it says on the card, but are looking to learn. My advice would be to contact a few instructors and ask questions maybe meet or talk to them on the phone...all my "tech instructors" have been very clear in saying that they´d be happy to answer any questions that pop up after the course as well...your instructor will hopefully be someone that stays with you for a ways...I´d choose instructor rather than agency...

Having said that, good documentation is a huge benefit after completion of a course, and I can´t say that IANTD (or any other agency materials except ANDIs) shine in that department...It was a few years ago though so maybe things have changed...
 
I am curious about how things are done on the "dark side" of the sport, and I also think that even if one does not actually engage in technical diving on an ongoing basis, there are probably some very useful skills to be learned (thinking more of deep diving, gas blending and decompression diving rather than wreck or cave penetration. ... I know that PADI's technical diving arm, DSAT, has a course designed to do exactly this ("Discover Tec diving"), but I wondered if it would be a little lightweight, and whether I would be better off looking into courses run by TDI (or other organisation), particularly if I then decided to go on and do other technical training courses. .
The DSAT sequence emphasizes equipment configuration and procedures on the front end, and diver exposure to greater depth, and actual decompression diving and richer (than 50%) O2 blends, comes late in the sequence, compared to some other agency offerings. This is not a matter of ‘good’ or ‘bad’, rather the flow of the learning content. So, by the time you go deeper (to 165’ in the Tec Deep sequence) and longer (two deco gas decompression) you will have rehearsed the procedures reasonably well. Discover Tec can introduce you to doubles, long hose/bungee regulator configurations, etc. But, as it is the front end of the DSAT progression, it will not involve deep dives, or actual (rather than simulated) decompression, or richer gas mixes. If you decide to continue technical training, then you can go through trimix with DSAT, so you would not necessarily be better or worse off starting the DSAT sequence. It is more a matter of the differences in staging of the content. Other agency offerings may take you into deeper water, and actual decompression dives using richer blends, sooner. You will probably end up in the same place. The DSAT training materials are good, particularly the Tec Deep Diver manual. You mention having to travel irrespective of the agency path you choose, and that prompts two comments. I have seen people try to cram the entire DSAT Tec Deep course into a very limited time period (for cost, or travel logistics, or ‘free time-available’ considerations), and I have reservations about that approach. Even experienced divers may find it challenging to jump into doubles and a drysuit and accomplish some of the tasks included in the DSAT dives, not because the tasks are uniquely difficult, but optimizing buoyancy and trim with the new rig, at the same time that you are mastering the new tasks, can be labor-intensive. In addition, I believe that the instructor makes an even bigger difference at the tec level than the OW level, and selection of the person(s) you will train with is important (and I am not trying to merely state the obvious), in terms of their flexibility with your schedule and travel plans, with your individual learning goals, and their ability to take you as far in the progression as you may wish to proceed. As the responses suggest there are multiple options available, ranging from GUE Fundies as a starting point to working with agencies that will expose you to richer blends and deeper dives relatively early in the process.
 
Many thanks for all the suggestions.

Just to be clear references to "not getting on with death" and the "dark side" of the sport in my OP were intended flippantly. I realise that that with proper training and equipment technical diving is safe, and that (most) technical divers are not lords of the sith.

Once I take the plunge I'll be sure to feed back in any constructive comments. I suspect I'll try TDI Advanced Nitrox with Divetech in Cayman as suggested by ianr33, as much for logistical reasons as anything else. We'll see how we go from there.
 
DSAT has a good class....

DSAT does indeed have excellent materials for tech. Depending on the instructor it can be a great course.

TDI Intro to Tech Class does this for divers like you

What does your statement mean, Rick?
 
What does your statement mean, Rick?



It is a new course designed for introducing people who want to learn about tech diving principles and technqiues before they make a large committment to equipment and core tech training.
 

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