Intro to scuba. Is it safe?

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I'm doing a intro to scuba dive in the Caymen islands and I was wondering if this is a safe way to start out or if you should be certified before you even try scuba? You have a few hours of trainning with a dive instructor then you go on a shallow dive with the instructor. I think they call this a resort pass:confused:
How deep do you have to go to worry about sea sickness?

Jules
 
Hi Jules,
From your description, "intro to scuba" (other names: "resort course", "discover scuba diving"), is something I have seen, and the safety of the activity depends on the dive operation and the instructor in question.
As a "warm water wimp", I travel to dive, have dived with operators in a variety of locations, and have had the chance to observe several of these "courses(?)" conducted, both the in-water and topside components. I once "sat in" from a distance- with the instructor's permission-as a nondiving friend took such a course.
The three components- "lecture", "pool session", "dive" seem pretty standard, but I have seen a wide variety of levels of :professionalism/ concern/ attentiveness etc.

The best, IMO, had detailed-but not to the point of "overkill" - "poolside" explanations of the equipment, techniques, and procedures to be learned, followed by an in-water "pool session" to reinforce these ideas and to let the "student" demonstrate the skills, followed by a shallow, closely monitored dive, where the "students" were accompanied by instructors/DMs-who had no other responsibiltites at that time than to supervise and assist the students.
The worst-again IMO- gave little time to the explanations, some time in the pool, and -the very worst- put the students into the actual dive with no more assistance/supervision than that given to the certified divers.

With all that, is what you are going to do safe? Probably, but be sure to ask any questions, get a feel for the level of attention given to you, and don't hesitate to speak up if you are uncomfortable with anything. [ That's a good rule for any dive situation-certified or not]

Regarding "should you be certified" as I said above, "resort courses" can be safe, and will be less expensive than a full certification course, perhaps a consideration if you are not sure you wish to become a diver. But if you REALLY want to dive -and the Caymans is a great place to do that, then getting certified "at home" would be the way to go. Falling somewhere in between could be: do the "classwork/poolwork at home (local LDS)and do the certification dives-and more- while on vacation. That, however, would need to be set up in advance.

Regarding Seasickness- it isn't the depth you are at -it is the movement of the boat /surface chop (and sometimes the current whileu/w) that creates that awful experience.
I'd suggest being prepared for that possibility. There are a variety of threads on that topic on this board,-I'd suggest doing a
"search" and get the full picture.

Whatever you decide, good luck, and enjoy.
MIke
 
I don't have any experience with the resort courses but the advise Mike has given sounds right on.
Let me hit on your other question, I suspect that you are not meaning "seasickness" which is as Mike described but rather decompression sickness (DCS) or the "bends". Lets see if I can give you a simple explanation. As you dive, nitrogen is absorbed into your blood. How much depends on how deep and how long you stay at depth. If the gas level on your blood builds to a certain level and you don't return to the surface in a proper manner, the nitrogen will cause bubbles to form in your blood, not a good thing. It is a similar effect to opening a Coke bottle too quickly. Divers learn how long at different depths they can safely stay and how to return to the surface safely. These things should be covered in the resort course. Now to give you a little more direct answer to your question. It is very unlikely that a resort type dive would come anywhere close to point where your depth and bottom time would put you in any real risk of DCS. Not impossible to get DCS but very very unlikely, the drive to the boat is a lot more of a risk than the risk of DCS on a resort dive. As an example, the maximum bottom time "allowed" for a 30 ft deep dive is 205 minutes (3.4 hrs), I would bet your dive will not last more than 45 minutes.
Be careful and have fun!

Oh and be warned, diving is very addictive and costly. One dive and your wallet will suffer for years to come....I am having withdrawal, I need to go the the dive shop and buy something.
 
I respectfully disagree. The "Discover Scuba Diving" is not, IMHO, an adequate grounding. It is also quite expensive when compared to the cost of an OW group course.

Discover scuba diving is OW Confined Water Dive 1. It covers the most basic skills in scuba. It allows the participant to dive under the direct supervision of a PADI certified assistant or instructor at no more than a 2:1 student/instructor ratio to a depth of not more than 40 ft.

I've seen several operations that don't seem to pay much attention to the 2:1 ratio or the depth restrictions. This increases the risk. I've also sen these people as they crash around the coral. I can't imagine that its much fun.

Personally, I'm not entirely comfortable with the thought of taking someone to 40 fsw when they don't have enough knowledge or experience to safely surface if I buy the farm or have a problem with the other diver in the trio.

I might suggest instead that you take a certification course for basic open water. If you really don't want to dive down here, get a referral for your dives to a reputable dive shop down south.

My LDS charges $199.00 for basic OW. The typical price I hear for resort courses is $80.00 - $100.00. I'd rather pay the difference and get proper training.

If you do decide to go the discover scuba route, the advice regarding a reputable shop is sound. Find out how many people they will be using and check out the equipment. Ask about maintenance. Try to avoid a cattle boat.

Have fun and good luck.
 
I am a scuba instructor in the Caymans, and have taught many of these programs. This is one time that you get what you pay for here. Look for the cheapest course, and you will likely find corners cut.

Northeastwrecks once bubbled...
Discover scuba diving is OW Confined Water Dive 1. It covers the most basic skills in scuba. It allows the participant to dive under the direct supervision of a PADI certified assistant or instructor at no more than a 2:1 student/instructor ratio to a depth of not more than 40 ft.

I've seen several operations that don't seem to pay much attention to the 2:1 ratio or the depth restrictions. This increases the risk. I've also sen these people as they crash around the coral. I can't imagine that its much fun.

PADI Discover Scuba Diving is a bit of academic session (which may be at the pool), Confined Water Dive 1 and Open Water Dive 1. The program content should not explain the mechanism of decompression sickness (the bends) nor how to avoid it. The instructor is responsible for planning a dive that makes the bends extremely unlikely. That material is covered in a full certification course.

The actual ratio is 4:1 (instructor:student) in open water for the PADI Discover Scuba Diving "resort course". Upon completing a DSD program, you may do additional dives with a divemaster or assistant instructor (at a 2:1 ratio) or an instructor (at 4:1 ratio). Maximum depth is 40ft.

There are operators here in Cayman that will exceed the maximum depths or ratios. Ask the operator , "Is this a PADI Discover Scuba Diving program?" If the answer is anything but "Yes" then shop elsewhere. Be particularly wary if they say that they have developed their own program.

(*** NOTE to avoid flames. The huge majority of dive shops in Cayman are PADI shops. I do not know a single shop that teaches a comparable program from another agency. If any such program is conducted in accordance with standards established by any training agency, then I could recommend it. ***)
 
Many places call this an "Introduction To Scuba", and it should be accepted as just that - an introduction.

If it hadn't been for one of these courses that I took in Grand Cayman as a cruise ship excursion, I never would have started diving. It gave me a taste of what diving was like, and gave me the incentive to come back home and sign up for real certification.

We were taken to the dive op, and given a 45 min lecture followed by a basic test - 10 questions if I recall. Following that we geared up and walked off the beach to chest deep water to practice basic skills - reg retrieval, mask clearing etc. There were two instructors for six of us.

We then swan out maybe 50 feet from the beach and then submerged. The deepest we went was 14 feet. The dive lasted about 30 minutes. I don't know about the comment about taking people to 40 feet. It may be allowed, but three others that I know who also took the course in different locals all reported a similar experience to mine - a short swin off the beach to a shallow depth.

With the proper supervision, I don't see anything wrong with these courses. People have to start somewhere. But as with everything, it depends on the operation and the instructors, and YMMV.

Marc :jester:
 
Drew Sailbum once bubbled...
I am a scuba instructor in the Caymans, and have taught many of these programs. This is one time that you get what you pay for here. Look for the cheapest course, and you will likely find corners cut.

PADI Discover Scuba Diving is a bit of academic session (which may be at the pool), Confined Water Dive 1 and Open Water Dive 1. The program content should not explain the mechanism of decompression sickness (the bends) nor how to avoid it. The instructor is responsible for planning a dive that makes the bends extremely unlikely. That material is covered in a full certification course.

The actual ratio is 4:1 (instructor:student) in open water for the PADI Discover Scuba Diving "resort course". Upon completing a DSD program, you may do additional dives with a divemaster or assistant instructor (at a 2:1 ratio) or an instructor (at 4:1 ratio). Maximum depth is 40ft.

There are operators here in Cayman that will exceed the maximum depths or ratios. Ask the operator , "Is this a PADI Discover Scuba Diving program?" If the answer is anything but "Yes" then shop elsewhere. Be particularly wary if they say that they have developed their own program.

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Drew:

You're right about the additional exercises and ratios. My bad.

However, it seems to me that a DSD graduate still isn't properly prepared for what could go wrong. Its not just DCS or being able to plan a dive. Its performing the skills that are covered in the rest of an OW course, particularly buoyancy and emergency drills.

The general consensus on this Board seems to be that newly certified OW divers are just barely able to handle themselves in the water. So why would you want DSD divers in 40 feet?

My biggest complaint with DSD is due to a particular shop on Grand Cayman. Their ratio was more like 8:1, our Divetech DM and I ended up preventing one from doing a feet first ballistic, and two or three of them tried to follow the group I was leading back up our anchor line. Not exactly confidence inspiring.

Even worse was the fact that we were diving the Oro Verde. As I recall, its in about 60 fsw.

I still believe that the extra money and time spent on OW with a referral makes for a more pleasant experience and a better prepared diver.
 
have co-written a similar program. If followed according to the standards set forth by the agencies this is a reasonably low risk way to try scuba as the name implies. NAUI and SSI also have a Passport Diver program which allows continued diving with certified professionals as long as the person dives evey 6 months.

Northeastwrecks comments should serve as a caution that diving is not risk free and not following the rules or standards can lead to serious trouble. I would also agree that if the try scuba is going to cost $100 then its more cost effective to spend the money for the full certification course. Of course that does incur more expenses than just the cost of the class.
 
FLL Diver once bubbled...
If it hadn't been for one of these courses that I took in Grand Cayman as a cruise ship excursion, I never would have started diving. It gave me a taste of what diving was like, and gave me the incentive to come back home and sign up for real certification.

Absolutely :) :)

While on holiday in Australia I took a day's excursion on the GBR.

I had done some snorkeling in years past and had been swimming for almost 30 years, so a semi-submersible with a glass bottom was definitely not an option.

I did two introdives with the people managing the day out (SSI), was totally hooked and six months later I was enrolled in the course.

Did I feel safe?

YES

Do I think they did a proper job?

YES

Would I recommend them?

YES

Do I still dive with SSI?

No, but it's not their fault, I couldn't find them in Brussels.

Beware not all operations are good, shop around, get a feeling, talk to the perspective instructor, ask all the questions you feel need to be asked and then launch yourself!

You will probably not regret it!

On the other hand, should you feel that diving is not for you, you won't be engaged in a time consuming course you're not happy with.
 

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