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mmadiver

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I had the privilege of taking the OW training course twice a few years ago. It’s a long story as to why having to do with logistic and timing issues. The first time I took the course it was taught by a retired Air Force PJ. In case you don’t know the PJ’s are the Air Force’s Special Forces rescue teams, pretty motivated guys. The class was composed of 18-20 year old Midshipman (it was a college course, yes I go to a military school). The training was rigorous and thorough. The first week of training was without any gear at all. We did only water competency and swimming drills. The next week the professor introduced the Mask. We spent the entire week doing nothing but drills with the Mask. Then came the snorkel, fins, and other equip in the following weeks. It challenged everyone in the class and we all became exceptional in the water and with our various pieces of gear. We did a number of exercises, what we called “drown proofing”, that were designed to increase our confidence in the water. One memorable drill that is infamous around our school is called “Four corners.” You place your mask, fins, and snorkel in the four corners of the deep end, one in each corner. Jump in and recover all your gear, put it on, clear your mask, surface clear your snorkel and swim around without bringing your head out of the water. It was an excellent test for everyone in the class. Only two people that semester passed the four corners, I was one of them (Brag…). The training progressed and we got into the more advanced skills. We spent two days swimming around the bottom of the pool doing nothing but buddy breathing. After completing the training everyone in the class we very confident in the water, with their gear, and with the basic SCUBA skills.

The second class I took was through a LDS. It was your standard PADI OW course. The class was comprised of 8 people of varying ages and abilities. Large amounts of the classroom time were spent watching very commercial “feel good” instructional videos produced by PADI. The first day in the pool (after the swim test) we entered with every piece of gear. This came as a shock to me as the people in the class were not confident in their own skin, let alone BCD, tank, regs, console, fins, mask, and 3mil shorty. The water sessions were very slow paced and laid back. I felt the depth at which we covered skills was not adequate. We would practice mask clearing until everyone could do it right and then move on. Every skill was covered like this. Even buddy breathing. I believe we spent all of 30 minutes practicing it. This came as a shock to me as my previous instructor had put such a HUGE emphasis on being able to do it right and without panic. When I questioned the instructor as to why we didn’t practice more buddy breathing he said something like “Buddy breathing is the option of last resort, in an emergency just give them your octopus.” This went completely against what my previous instructor had taught me: “When I want air, I want your regulator because I know it’s working. I don’t want to risk fumbling around with the octopus attached to your BCD that might even be frozen.”
We completed all the necessary skills and training and still felt that nobody in the class had a high level of confidence. They certified everyone and I wouldn’t feel confident diving with any one of them. But that’s only because I had taken a far superior class and could recognize the shortcomings…

Just some food for thought about your own OW experiences and instruction…
 
Whilst I understand your comments about the differences, I think it is unrealistic to compare a multi week military dive training course to a recreational open water course.
I would not call the first course you describe a basic open water course.

I do however agree that some instructors spend far too little time for my liking on important skills.

There are reasons why buddy breathing is no longer a fiirst option when being trained.
Would that reason be valid if everyone got the training that you initially did? Probably not, but the reality of real world divers on real world dives is that buddy breathing too often lead to fatalities (often for the donating diver). Nothing worng with donating the reg you are using, but I believe you should then go to your secondary second stage (hopefully not an octopus but another primary quality reg) yourself.
I am sure this isn't news to you, but I am just pointing out that there is a happy medium between the two methods you mentioned.
 
Sorry I should of clarified this. The first course I took was a NAUI OW college course. Although it was taught in a military school and was militaristic in nature.
 
Sharing air via a secondary, whether primary long hose and donor takes secondary, or donating the secondary is MUCH preferred to buddy breathing.
 
The first is old , old school military type training. Good but gross overkill for the basic rec diver. The basic OW class may seem too short, and it is in some spots IMHO but if you look at the numbers of diving acidents from PADI trained divers, it works.
BTW buddy breathing is not a required skill for OW. Many don't do it untill DM training.
 
Consider yourself lucky to have had the chance to go through the first course - you had people of similar skills, all in great shape, a lot of time for training and a good instructor.

This is not what normal OW is about.

I've been though that four corner joy (get your snorkle, swim to the mask, swim to the first fin and then get the last guy), and about a dozen other similar fun things. You need a lot of time and resources to train people that way. Just no going to happen in the real world.

The best you can hope for is that the instructor instills the need for practice and skill development.
 
mmadiver:
Sorry I should of clarified this. The first course I took was a NAUI OW college course. Although it was taught in a military school and was militaristic in nature.

To us old NAUI guys, that was obvious.
 
Having served some time in the military I can relate to your concern.

The reason why there are so many certifying agencies today, is because each one has a different method of teaching. Some agencies cater to the recreational crowd while other cater to the technical crowd. I think that there is no beter way to cualify a good diver other than experience. Certification cards are OK but I find shops giving them away sometimes. Be glad you had the extra-spicy course. I can guarantee that if you ever need to use you survival skills to save your life or someone else, you will feel more secure having that extra experience.

Happy Diving:)
T
 
Sounds like my certification course. Not quite so rigourous, but very similar. The instructor was a marine biologist professor with thousands of dives. Was taught in the University pool as a rec course (not for credit). Buddy breathing until it was second nature, underwater skills til they were second nature - then out to the ocean. Old school NAUI as well. Also was not restricted to 60 feet after the course. Planning to dive to rec limits was part of the course.

Glad things have changed re octopus, it was not standard gear back then. Buddy breathe was only option most times and a buddy just getting fresh air is not always willing to give it back as quickly as you might want and I hear is not too polite about taking the working reg (never had to deal with the situation for real, just in practice).

However I'm not confident that it should have been totally dropped as a skill. If someone is OOA and I become aware of the situation, I know where the working reg is on my gear so will pass the primary first and then go looking for the backup - I probably have more time for that then the OOA diver. If something is wrong with the backup though I want the primary back. If your buddy hasn't practiced that skill letting go of the working reg after being OOA is not easy - you need to know deep in your soul that you are going to get it back. It seems to me to be a skill that should be in your toolbox.

After taking the course that I did I have always been a little wary of the current training methodology, but its safety record seems to speak for itself.
 
When I tought my nick name was the DI, and oh yes i tought NAUI........
would start class with " I'm not here to have you like me but to make you a safe diver..............at the end of class many didnt like me but all felt ready to be an ow diver............far to many Int. are in it to be "well thought of".....sad for students.....
 

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