Info on old AT-PAC BC back pack

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bawb47862

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Back in 1979 I purchased a BC back pack I think was called an
AT-PAC. It was a ABS plastic back pack that could be filled with lead shot. It had an emergency dump at the bottom.
It had plain seat belt type straps and supported back mount bladders. Any one know if this is still sold? There was nothing better for mobility back then.
 
Me thinks it has not been manufactured for several years.
Back flotation was baaaaad (so said the competitors) and ATPAC went-under (so to speak).

You might consider a BP and wing.

G_M

bawb47862:
Back in 1979 I purchased a BC back pack I think was called an
AT-PAC. It was a ABS plastic back pack that could be filled with lead shot. It had an emergency dump at the bottom.
It had plain seat belt type straps and supported back mount bladders. Any one know if this is still sold? There was nothing better for mobility back then.
 
Thanks, looking at getting back in water. Have been looking at equipment. Prefer a back mount instead of a jacket. Just
liked the weight system on my old pack compared to the pockets on these new BC's
 
Here are some photos of my ABS plastic backpack thingy that costs $39. It doesn't take any lead shot like the one that you had.. There are some wings available for it and also I've seen some very streamlined BC vests that use the same packpack.. For what you are looking for, I would probably recommend an OxyCheq Backplate and and OxyCheq "Signature Series" 30-lb wing.. Very low drag and excellent quality.. That combo is definitely going to cost more than $39 though... hehe..

http://www.scubaboard.com/t64274.html
 
Like BDrannik said, for short $$$ an ABS "bacpac" is an option; there are wings available for them. For long $$$ you can use a BP and wing. There are many brands available and that type of rig is very modifiable and tunable to many different environments.

As for weight systems, try a DUI weight and trim (or other comparable arrangement). They are slick and take the burden from your hips and back.

G_M

bawb47862:
Thanks, looking at getting back in water. Have been looking at equipment. Prefer a back mount instead of a jacket. Just
liked the weight system on my old pack compared to the pockets on these new BC's
 
I started with an Atpac and still own 2 of them - 1 is still in excellent shape.

Seatec still makes something similar to the Atpac but without the shot filled backpac - that was prone to jamming anyway.

Another option is to go the BP/Wing route. You get the same advantages and effect with more options and fewer strange looks on the dive boat.
 
I'll have to agree that the AT-PAC was a great peice of equipment and I had absolutly no problems with the weights on my back. I certified in 1976 and actually made a mold for the outer shell in my shop class. There was nothing better then or now (in my opinion). You had everything in one tight package that was nearly indestructable. All the equipment (BC bladder, regulator set and tank) could be tucked away on the inside of the shell when being transported and quickly exposed when needed. I have gone to the closest configuration I could find and i'm not satisfied! I know that my old system is still out being used in CA The owner found a source for replacement bladders everything else is still working fine! I personally think Watergill should reopen I for one would buy another one today!!
 
bawb47862:
Back in 1979 I purchased a BC back pack I think was called an
AT-PAC. It was a ABS plastic back pack that could be filled with lead shot. It had an emergency dump at the bottom.
It had plain seat belt type straps and supported back mount bladders. Any one know if this is still sold? There was nothing better for mobility back then.

I still have a couple of them. The feature that finally drove me away from the AT-PAC was the lead shot - it was a PITA to carry when travelling by air, but necessary since the shot wasn't available at one's destination. Another, and dangerous, feature was the inflation hose internal to the airway. Both my daughter and I had a fitting on this hose corrode and fail during a dive, inflating the wing uncontrollably. Neither of us were injured, but it's not difficult to imagine circumstances, say deep into decompression, when it could be a very serious problem.

As of several years ago, at least some parts were still available. I still use the wing with a different back pack (and inflator) and was able to replace the bladder and stretch bag cover.
 
For anyone who is curious, here is a link to some AT-PAC pics:

ATPAC

Perhaps one of the 'posters' of the pics can assist with replacement parts, etc.
 
The At Pac was made with a couple different versions of the inflator hose/fitting assembly. The plastic version was subject to cracking and this was one of the main reasons many were eventually retired. The metal version of the inflator hose fitting was much more durable but subject to corrosion over time. (I have noted that the old proprietary At Pac inflator quick disconnect is for all practical purposes dimensionally identical to the current standard fitting used by most companies with the exception that the At Pac QD used a 1/8" NPT thread rather than a more normal 1/4" NPT thread.)

The other common reason for At Pac retirement was the tendency for the seams to let go rather catastrophically on the bladder when they got old.

The At Pac looks a lot like a BP/Wing and while the general design is back in style and the At Pac was great in it's day, don't be lulled into thinking it did not have it faults.

One serious design fault with the At Pac was the incorporation of the over pressure relief valve for the bladder into the inflator hose assembly. It was a little too small and could create the potential to rupture the bladder in a rapid ascent. If you are going to get badly bent on an uncontrolled ascent, it is even worse if your badly bent unconcious self then sinks back to the bottom due to a ruptured wing.

Another serious design fault was that the shot needed to be large enough not to fall out the cracks in the gate at the bottom of the pack but was then consequently large enough to pack, form a bridge and consequently not dump reliably when you needed it to. It also required marbles to be loaded in the top to take up extra space and prevent the shot from shifting, so adjusting weight was a real PITA as all the shot had to come out, then the marbles, then remove shot, add marbles, re-install and then repeat if neccesary. It was I think the oprignal integrated weight system but was a little ahead of it's time and needed just a bit more engineering.

In short, it has probelms with the basic design and you would be far better served with a modern BP/Wing. It's faults were apparent by the end of 70's and early 80's and I switched to a Scubapro back inflate BC as it incorporated a large OPV on the bladder, used a normal power inflator and hose and was generally more durable.

Weight integration of a sort could be accomplished with the SP wing by filling the backpack with shot. It could hold about 11 pounds but was not readily removeable. The SP wing went out of production in the early 80's however as wings were considered "bad" by that time and I was stuck diving with jacket style BC's for the next decade and a half.

The original Seatec wing is still made:
http://www.lloydbaileysscuba.com/Seatec.html

It could be used with any of the integrated weight pockets form OMS, Dive Rite, etc that mount on the harness in the corner formed by the waist and shoulder straps. (which is also a far better and safer approach to weight integration with an At Pac) But it is a little spendy and for the money you could go with a regular BP and wing from OMS, Dive Rite or a variety of other companies.
 

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