Incident, panic and rapid ascent from 20 meters. Q&A

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All went well so obviously your choice was a good one.
You did not state whether you ascended to the dive site and how long you had been at altitude before diving. Taking your computer to the edge of ascent rate warnings and beyond was possibly risky, even if you had only spent 7 minutes at depth (especially if you were not acclimatized to the altitude).
 
All went well so obviously your choice was a good one.
You did not state whether you ascended to the dive site and how long you had been at altitude before diving. Taking your computer to the edge of ascent rate warnings and beyond was possibly risky, even if you had only spent 7 minutes at depth (especially if you were not acclimatized to the altitude).

The dive site is at 1400 meters, I ascended that day about two hours before the dive, the city where I live it at 800 meters, making a 600 meters difference. Yes, I didn't feel comfortable ascending the way I did, despite I got some SLOW alarms because of being at the edge of the speed limits, I corrected quickly to keep allowed speeds, but nevertheless I got the alarms, I don't like to test the limits, I use my computer in the most conservative setting and I always try to be far away Deco Limits, stay longer in safety stops, etc. I just wonder how big the risk was, how Nitrogen saturation relates with the speed of ascent and DCS...


May be next time in a similar situation I'll do as someone said, just make the sign "ok see ya" and make a totally normal ascent, safety stop included.
 
I almost NEVER dive with a buddy that I do not know. If I have too, it will be with someone I have already seen diving somewhere around me. Before I make such a dive, I make SURE, I know his equipement and experience level, VERY WELL. If i cannot do this, I prefer not to dive.
 
Just a thought but if you were in front of/below the other diver perhaps it was his ears. If he was unwilling to abandon you he may have pushed himself deeper, without being able to clear his ears, to gain your attention before aborting the dive.

I'm not sure if it would explain the panic but it is a possibility if he was in real pain.
 
I almost NEVER dive with a buddy that I do not know. If I have too, it will be with someone I have already seen diving somewhere around me. Before I make such a dive, I make SURE, I know his equipement and experience level, VERY WELL. If i cannot do this, I prefer not to dive.

A lot of people don't have the kind of luxury in decision-making illustrated here. I have a non-diving spouse, and I have lousy local diving conditions. That means I travel far from my home for at least 90% of my diving, and I usually do not know anyone else when I am there. Consequently, the overwhelming majority of my dives are with people I don't know. If I were to refuse to dive with people I don't know, I would have very few dives.

It is rarely even a minor issue for me. I can handle myself, and if they have a problem, I could handle most issues for them just fine. If that buddy made a sudden panicked ascent, the only thing I could do would be to do what happened in this case--make a safe ascent to the surface to see what the problem is. That has never happened to me.
 
You need to get experience in judging divers before they dive. For those who have dived in varying locations and a variety of people it becomes somewhat second nature to be able to reasonably judge divers ability before the dive. A few checks on how they gear up, their reactions to the environment and others around them, all helps show how well they may dive. Its not an absolute but usually reasonably accurate.

I think I would find if someone came up to me and started telling me we are buddies and I have to do mask drills etc at the start of the dive my response may well be to go find another buddy as I have paid for a full dive, not go doing "proof of ability" dives. It would suggest to me that perhaps the buddy is nervous and somewhat inexperienced. I would however have the decency to chat with them and see what the issue is first, however if they were determined to go down that path to force me, regardless, then they would be doing it with someone else. Don't insult people by assuming all divers are dills unless proven otherwise to you, that's nearly as bad as assuming all divers are great.

I watch people when they prepare, even if they are not my buddy, not because I want to know everyone's experience as I am an "Expert, as I am NOT", but more because having travelled a fair bit and having lots of time to sit in airports killing time I people watch and one learns to judge people by doing this. After doing this with diving you soon learn to judge people by their actions and how they fit in.

As you said, his mask was tight, a sure sign something is not right. Fiddling with gear, inability to set up gear, clearly not geared up properly for the dive with gear missing are all signs that' all is not well (generally speaking).

A list to think about are;
Fiddling
Inability to set up gear
Appear lost with the process
Noisy and mouthy and done it all (covering their lack of self confidence)
Looking at everyone else for signs of what to do
Not at ease
Geared up fully and the boat hasn't left yet (yes seen this a number of times)
Gear clearly on wrong or not set up correctly

Been there when someone has shot for the surface in panic, only thing to do is what you did and others suggest, come up at a safe rate and be available if there is an issue. The guy I was with came up like a homing torpedo and was like a speed boat on the surface back to the boat, and was as calm as a cucumber when back on board, like nothing happened. He was a newly certified AOW and I believe panicked that we were going down to about 22m, particularly in open water.

Sometimes you will have your dive spoiled by an incident with an instant buddy. Sometimes such is life, as long as all are safe is the first consideration. You can always dive again, but if dead, last dive you will do. Having a dive spoiled sucks, but having an injury or death would be much worse.

Rule 1 dive safe yourself, rule 2 consider your buddy, rule 3 consider others. ALL IN THAT ORDER, as you cant save anyone if you are in trouble yourself.
 
I think I would find if someone came up to me and started telling me we are buddies and I have to do mask drills etc at the start of the dive my response may well be to go find another buddy as I have paid for a full dive, not go doing "proof of ability" dives. It would suggest to me that perhaps the buddy is nervous and somewhat inexperienced.

I definitely get where you're coming from, but with shore dives there's nothing you're "paying for" other than the fill, and you're not really using any gas doing the two drills. I definitely didn't mean to suggest a full-blown skills demo, but two simple skills in the shallows or right at the beginning of the dive to make sure everything is alright. I do this before ALL cave dives, whether I know the buddy or not....and like to do it at the beginning of a week if I know I'll be diving in a constant group. It's not a matter of proving you can do it, you did that by having the card (theoretically). I want to see HOW you do it, so I know what to expect....and I want to show you, so you can know what to expect.

Most importantly, I think this is something a newer diver should consider moreso than an experienced diver. Once you've gotten experience, you know to let the buddy go and you don't have remorse over it. You react better underwater, so there's less danger to you. You can play it off as "just practicing a couple of skills to stay sharp" instead of an "I don't trust you" statement.

However, your list of stuff including fiddling, bad setup, looking lost.....all of these are a great start, and definitely the best indicator on the surface.
 
A list to think about are;
Fiddling
Inability to set up gear
Appear lost with the process
Noisy and mouthy and done it all (covering their lack of self confidence)
Looking at everyone else for signs of what to do
Not at ease
Geared up fully and the boat hasn't left yet (yes seen this a number of times)
Gear clearly on wrong or not set up correctly
If you and I were buddied on a boat in your home waters, I'd probably be guilty of #5, 6 and perhaps even 7 although I consider myself rather calm, collected and safety-conscious for the level of experience I'm at. Why? Because almost all of my dives are local, shore dives with my club or private diving from my own small boat, and I don't know any local "rules" for behavior on a boat in your waters. On the commercial boat outings arranged by one of the local LDSs here, you're expected to be fully suited up even before the boat leaves the harbor, so unless I were looking at the people around me to see how they did it, I'd probably do the same thing when abroad.

That doesn't necessarily mean that I'm a disproportionately unsafe diver when I'm in the water, though. I'm more than old enough to fully realize that I'm mortal...
 

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