ikelite ds51 strobe makes all pics white...

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meterman

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sorry im new at this... tried new ikelite ds51 strobe with manual controler with my canon sd550 camera with ikelite housing and ill pictures come out all whited out like theres too much flash or the fash is to bright . i turned strobe off and pics came out better..can anyone gice me some help im leaving for cozumel wednesday and want all my pictures to come out good. im new with the strobe so if you can give me a clue on what setting to use or what i can try i you would make me very happy..:D :D
thanks
brian
 
Your way over exposing your pictures.
You should be shooting in manual mode, I believe your camera has a manual mode.
If your not shooting in manual mode you can try to knock the EV down a few stops.

In manual you need to use a smaller aperture (larger F number) and or a faster shutter speed to decrease the exsposure. You can also use a lower ISO number.

You should almost always shoot with your strobe on full power to get the most light and color as possible. That said your camera has a maxium aperture of only 4.9 so the strobe may be to much. If your using the highest aperture and shutter with the lowest ISO and still washing everything out you will need to dial down the strobe controler.
 
Hi
I shoot a canon S50 which stops down to f8 and when I use the DS 50 substrobe, the predecessor to the DS51 on close up (macro) shots, I get over exposed pictures too. Even when the manual controller is on the lowest setting -4.5.

But the cameras internal strobe works OK on those close up shots -unless you have a wet mate macro lens on the front that blocks the internal flash.

Have you had the same problem when you are shooting further away images - I am happy with how the strobe works on fish potraits and reefs, wrecks.

For close up stuff as suggested above I suggest you set your ISO back to 50, your fstop to as stopped down as it will go and if you are still getting over exposed shots you have two options - shift the strobe further away from the subject or use the diffuser. If you are using the diffuser and still having problems put a clean white cloth (hankerchief) over the strobe and secure it and see what that does.. I have not treid the last option yet but I will before I seriously consider buying a macro lens. In the meantime I am happily shooting macro with my internal flash. I am glad I have the strober though for more distant shots

I think that the only thing that a faster shutter speed will do is make your background darker as the stobe will flash much faster in the foreground than your fastest shutter speed.

Good luck

Alison
 
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or a faster shutter speed to decrease the exsposure. You can also use a lower ISO number.

Make sure the ISO is fixed (ISO 50 or 100 should be fine) and not set to auto. When discussing strobe influence, it is the foreground exposure that is the topic. Shutter speed should not be a consideration in the foreground exposure equation.

You should almost always shoot with your strobe on full power to get the most light and color as possible.

imho you should always set your strobe intensity based on need. At very close macro distances a DS 51 (guide number 28, iso 100, feet) may blow out an image when set to "F", possibly even with the diffuser attached (gn 20, iso 100, ft).

With the SD 550 aperture stopped down to f/8, ISO set to 100, manual controller set to 4 (-4 stops from full) and the DS 51, diffuser installed, according to the guide number formula, your minimum strobe to subject distance should be about:

Guide Number = Aperture times Distance
Guide Number of DS 51, w/diffuser minus 4 stops at ISO 100 = @ 5
Aperture set to f/8
GN=A times D
5 = 8 times .62

.62 feet or @7.5 inches

At ISO 50, you could get even closer..........in theory..............ditto for man con set to -4.5

That said your camera has a maxium aperture of only 4.9 so the strobe may be to much.

f/4.9 is the widest aperture available when lens is set at telephoto distance.........not the smallest aperture available..............(f/stop is a relationship between focal distance and size of iris opening)

If your using the highest aperture and shutter with the lowest ISO and still washing everything out you will need to dial down the strobe controler.

Shutter speed has little to do with the foreground exposure.......as long as the shutter speed chosen is not quicker than the sync speed of the camera. Shutter speed has more impact on background exposure where it controls by time (along with aperture and ISO) the amount of ambient light allowed to pass through the lens.

Brian,

May I suggest you first set the ISO to either 50 or 100. Otherwise when set to auto, the camera will be constantly changing the ISO. Set the camera to manual so you are in control of both aperture and shutter speed. For typical fish pics or reef scenes I would next suggest a starting point of possibly f/4 and 1/100 sec. As mentioned, if you're capturing macro images, reduce the size of the aperture.

Make sure the DS 51 (I recommend diffuser installed) is set properly to the TTL/Auto setting when combined with the Manual Controller. Confirm the Manual Controller is also set according to Ikelite guidelines:

http://www.ikelite.com/web_pages/mansenswitch.html

Next I would recommend a simple approach (Jim Watt inspired) .......set the manual controller midway....around the -2.5 area............then follow Jim's digital mantra:

Shoot, Review, Adjust, Shoot Again!

If the exposure is too bright, move the man con closer to -4.5. If the exposure is too dark, move closer to "F".

If you prefer a darker background, as Alison has suggested, increase shutter speed.

Here's another guideline that Ike Brigham would frequently contribute when discussing the DS 125 ( the DS 51 should be very close since it is almost equal in intensity.......but not in width of beam). Set the aperture to f/8 and the manual controller to "F" (ISO 100, no diffuser). You are now prepared to capture an image with the strobe to subject distance of 4 feet! Now for every foot closer your strobe is to the subject, all you have to do is reduce the manual controller by two clicks (minus one full f/stop).

hth,
b
 
yikes!

In the dpreview.com write up on the SD 550:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canonsd550/

it certainly lists manual mode as one of many shooting options:

Shooting mode

• Auto
• Manual
• Digital Macro
• Portrait
• Foliage
• Snow
• Beach
• Fireworks
• Underwater
• Indoor
• Kids and pets
• Night snapshot
• Stitch assist
• AE compensation -2.0EV to +2.0 EV in 1/3EV steps


Unfortunately that is what I based my aperture suggestions on.......the fact that "manual" mode was listed as a shooting mode option.

But your question regarding the actual changing of apertures on a camera I found curious so I dug a little deeper into the dpreview.com review of your camera. Sure enough, I just found this passage under Operation (pg3):

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canonsd550/page3.asp

"Of course this is a fairly simple camera - a true 'point and shoot' model, with very limited manual control. What you do get is most of the important stuff; control over metering, flash, ISO, white balance, file size/quality and so on. What you don't get - aside from a handful of subject modes - is any meaningful control over apertures and shutter speeds."

That certainly changes things!

One possible work around would be to test each of the various shooting modes and take notes. My hope is that the camera will be consistent in it's exposure choices. In other words, for each "mode" it will choose the same aperture and shutter settings regardless of actual lighting conditions. If so, that's a good sign. Hopefully one of those mode settings will offer you the aperture you wish to use.

But I would hardly refer to that "technique" as "manual mode"!

For more insights into your camera's operation, check out the imaging-resource.com review:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/SD550/SD55A.HTM

If you are unable to unearth the aperture and shutter speed your camera chooses, you may possibly be able to retrieve them with an EXIF Reader program such as:

http://www.takenet.or.jp/~ryuuji/minisoft/exifread/english/

hth,
b
 
This is one of the drawbacks of all of the SD cameras in Canon's range - it really does not have manual control as we tend to think of manual contro for underwater work (in fact, most land photographers don't consider something "manual" if you can't completely control aperture and shutter either).

You cannot completely control the aperture and shutter speed on the SD series.

They are built to be more of a true point and shoot than a versatile camera - small, light, great land results, go anywhere cameras.

Bobf as always has given a ton of great information and hopefully it will really help those out there with cameras that don't have all the options!
 
On your strobe, if I can remember correctly, there are settings for "TTL and manual". You need to set it to TTL, not manual, even though you are shooting a manual controller, or you will get very weird results like this. I would also check that the dip switch settings on the end of the controller are in the correct position for the DS51 not the DS125. Refer to your manual.

Jack
 

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