If you dive alone, you die alone ...

[markmud]

Here's a little hypothetical food for thought; if mainstream scuba instruction was based on solo diving from the start, and buddy diving was considered a more advanced specialty (e.g.: required AOW and minimum 25 logged dives before you could take it), I wonder what % of the diving public (who already have AOW, in order to prevent skewing the stat.s) would take the buddy diving course?

My point is, if people weren't indoctrinated with the buddy diving mindset from the start, how would they react to it if presented more objectively later?

Richard.

Hi Rich,

Hmm...I think buddy diving is important. I believe buddy diving should be taught from the start and taught better than it is. However, buddy diving is not the end-all and be-all. Am I understanding your post?

I don't know how people would react to it if introduced later. I think a person who is committed to Tech diving would grasp it well.

Thanks for the thought-food,

markm

Caveat Emptor: The opinions of this diver are his and his alone based on his subjective view of diving. I dive for me. I don't dive for PADI, SDI, SSI or any other agency. I don't dive to fulfill the requirements of the greater good; therefore, I do not dive for the collective. It is OK if you don't like my opinions.

 

[markmud]

Yeah, that basically. You are so arrogant that I am not even gonna explain why you comlpetely are "that guy".

Closed-minded much?

Caveat Emptor: The opinions of this diver are his and his alone based on his subjective view of diving. I dive for me. I don't dive for PADI, SDI, SSI or any other agency. I don't dive to fulfill the requirements of the greater good; therefore, I do not dive for the collective. It is OK if you don't like my opinions.

 

[redacted]

Here's a little hypothetical food for thought; if mainstream scuba instruction was based on solo diving from the start, and buddy diving was considered a more advanced specialty (e.g.: required AOW and minimum 25 logged dives before you could take it), I wonder what % of the diving public (who already have AOW, in order to prevent skewing the stat.s) would take the buddy diving course?

My point is, if people weren't indoctrinated with the buddy diving mindset from the start, how would they react to it if presented more objectively later?

Richard.

Interesting. For one thing, we would not have as maqny divers. There are divers, perhaps quite a few, who would be unwilling or unable to dive outside the buddy system.

 

[markmud]

The more I read of threads such as these here on SB the less I know. It is as if the longer I dive and the more experience I have, the less qualified I am to go diving.

Hi JamesBon92007,

I think we must differentiate your goals for diving, your strategy for diving, and your tactics for diving from mine.

With your experience, you probably have at least 5 times the knowledge that I do. But, much of that knowledge may be wasted on me because I don't dive the way and the places you do.

Our diving experiences are different. We are different. Your opinions about diving are different. Nothing wrong with that. To each his own.

markm
Caveat Emptor: The opinions of this diver are his and his alone based on his subjective view of diving. I dive for me. I don't dive for PADI, SDI, SSI or any other agency. I don't dive to fulfill the requirements of the greater good; therefore, I do not dive for the collective. It is OK if you don't like my opinions.

 

[dumpsterDiver]

I agree, the buddy system often presents a false level of security, but the feeling of security when diving with another person can be very real, especially for a new diver or when going in a new environment.

 

[markmud]

Interesting. For one thing, we would not have as maqny divers. There are divers, perhaps quite a few, who would be unwilling or unable to dive outside the buddy system.

Hi awap,

Do you mean that dependent divers would avoid a system like that? Or, the riggers would be too much for otherwise mentally capable people (people who are mentally prepared to take on the challenge)?

markm

 

[Bob DBF]

I would like to advocate for a new course and c-card. I think RSTC should push it down to the certification agencies. This course should be a prerequisite for AOW. It should be called: Buddy Diver; Duties and responsibilities of a Buddy Diver team.

Yeah, it's called OW. The RSTC already covers it in the OW certification, how hard the instructor works to implement an understanding and use of the system seems to be the problem. As long as the focus is in fast easy classes, I don't see a change coming.


Bob

 

[redacted]

Hi awap,

Do you mean that dependent divers would avoid a system like that? Or, the riggers would be too much for otherwise mentally capable people (people who are mentally prepared to take on the challenge)?

markm

I am not calling them 'dependent' divers but divers who would probably not dive without a buddy. I'm sure my wife/buddy is in that group.

 

[markmud]

Yeah, it's called OW. The RSTC already covers it in the OW certification, how hard the instructor works to implement an understanding and use of the system seems to be the problem. As long as the focus is in fast easy classes, I don't see a change coming.


Bob

Hi Bob,

Do you think there is enough repetition and skill practice to create muscle memory with subconscious action in an OW diver class? Even if the instructor does a good job covering the basics?

markm

 

[JamesBon92007]

Hi JamesBon92007,

I think we must differentiate your goals for diving, your strategy for diving, and your tactics for diving from mine.

With your experience, you probably have at least 5 times the knowledge that I do. But, much of that knowledge may be wasted on me because I don't dive the way and the places you do.

Our diving experiences are different. We are different. Your opinions about diving are different. Nothing wrong with that. To each his own.

markm
Caveat Emptor: The opinions of this diver are his and his alone based on his subjective view of diving. I dive for me. I don't dive for PADI, SDI, SSI or any other agency. I don't dive to fulfill the requirements of the greater good; therefore, I do not dive for the collective. It is OK if you don't like my opinions.

Well, from what I have read here (and other threads) I am not qualified to do the kind if diving I've been doing for nearly 48 years. Suddenly I need a new C-Card to do what I've been doing for decades. For me diving (free or scuba) is no more unusual than mowing the lawn, going to the grocery store, or swimming laps in my pool. I consider riding my bicycle in my neighborhood the most dangerous thing that I do and driving my car is probably second.