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Ok, dumb question here... Why would you need an instructor to dive with you for what I see as an "academic" specialty. You learn the material, you attend the lecture, you pass your exam, then you incorporate what you have learned into your dive planning. It's not like learning to use a drysuit, there are no new physical skills to master.

-kate
 
Kate...that's just how PADI does it. Some of the other agencies don't require any dives at all, just the academic stuff. When I asked a PADI instructor why the dives were required, he said they want to see you plan your dives and how well you stuck to the plan...not just do it on paper.
 
Well PADI allows you to use your Nitrox dives towards another speciality say Navigation..or drysuit..

I stopped by Shop X today after reading these prior post and let the manager know of my unsatisfaction and will give them untill Tuesday to hand me my ordered items.

I also made the decision that I will no longer spend any elective money with Shop X. I was told of a free dives program at the local lakes so I will still have the opportunities to be around my friends and not as also a customer.

I still pondering my options about the nitrox dives

thanks again
 
Hello,

Well as a 'consumer' they really turned you into road kill. Be sure to ask for the KY-jelly next time. I would get a refund and turn them into the agency for the inability to teach properly. You won't get your materials if you are a bystander, you gotta go agressive.

Ed
 
re-rstone: yes he does need an instructor to sign off and file for his certification, not question there.
No I did not suggest that he dive uncertified, what I suggested is that he MAY have the option of dong his ow obligation without an instructor standing / diving there. This is the policy of some diving organizations, you do there classroom, bookwork, and exam. Buy the nitrox fills from them, satisfy the gas analizing portion of the course, sign for the gas, go and do your ows, documenting the plan, the dive, the end results of your O2 accumalation, demenstrating that you understand the whole process then return to the instructor, any questions??, here is your card.!!
The nitrox course is mostly academic, you are not teaching a person to dive, they already now how to dive. You are teaching them how to safely use nitrox, best of all how to use Nitrox to your advantage, whether creating a safer dive or getting a longer bottom time.
If you reread my earlier statement, it's clear that I am not a fan of that type of course, having the instructor on site / dive adds to the experience greatly no matter what level of diver that is completing the course.
I'm not sure where you got that I was PADI, I'm not!! I've been and remain NAUI for almost 30 years.........
Fishkiller...........I don't see why you couldn't combine another speciality with you Nitrox ow?? With the Advanced diver course we run, you may opt to add Niitrox to the course, for the OWs, nitrox must be used on a repetitive profile, we usually do it on the wreck dive and deep dive part of the course. This sort of works well for us, in that the students that did not take the nitrox wish they did, especially when they see that the Nitrox students get to play in the water longer...............

mho
john
 
Kate:
though some orginizations give you the academics and then send you forth to dive with that devil gas (hee hee)................it has been my experience on the dive site with those particular students, that they are now in the real world, they're not sure, they're taking a baby step and want someone to reassure them that they are not about to blow them selves up??? So having to do an OW with a Nitrox student I feel is the right thing to do, you are there to answer the questions as they come up on site, the student is going to gain more from this. But you will still have students, that "get it" right from the beginning, but they are few and far between.

my vote...............do an ow under the guildance of an instructor

mho
john
 
Originally posted by TAM Dive
I'm not sure where you got that I was PADI, I'm not!! I've been and remain NAUI for almost 30 years.........

According to your website it states...

"Tam Dive is pleased to offer a variety of course instruction through NAUI and PADI trained professionals—sure to please the novice and advanced diver."
 
yes you are correct.................re web site info
the web site is for the Toronto Ontario Store, I'm the owner of the first franchised TAM Dive, located in Peterborough Ontario, about 1 1/2 hours from Toronto.............we have a small introduction section on the website.


John
 
Hello Fishkiller,
I have a question about your relationship with your LDS. What was the reason you went with Shop X? Was there a problem at the LDS?
The relationship with your LDS is built on sales, service, trust and reliability. When we first started diving, we were lucky enough to find a PADI DS close to us that goes out of their way to make sure the customer is satisfied. They sell they merchandise at a very reasonable price. I have found things cheaper in catalogs but, I don't mind paying a little extra to keep the my local shop in business. Their service is the best that can be offered. The number of times they filled tanks, serviced regs, rush ordered equipment before a dive trip or just gave advice and recomendations that did not always put $'s in their business. All this built my trust and reliability towards them. With the economy as it is now your LDS needs all the help they can get. Support them now or they may not be there for your needs in the future. (Commercial Time: Burlington Dive Center(PADI Certification), Burlington, North Carolina)
OK, I'm off my soap box now. I hope you were able to get the Nitrox class you needed. You will enjoy Nitrox. We got certificed two years ago and would not go on a multiple day dive trip without it. We use Nitrox computers and use the tables as backup. We got Nitrox certified for the margin of safety instead of additional bottom time. During the dive you can not differentiate between Nitrox and Air. You can tell the difference after multiple dives and you do not have the tiredness associated with nitrogen buildup. Good Luck and Safe Diving.
 
Originally posted by ScubaBurt
Hello Fishkiller,
I have a question about your relationship with your LDS. What was the reason you went with Shop X? Was there a problem at the LDS?

More like the other way around shop X was where I first went (1 mile from home) and have done my OW and most of my AOW with them it was the final dive of my AOW that Shop X had no instructor to take me on the Deep dive in the local lake, the only choice was to pay for a dive trip to the ocean. My now LDS shop is located 2 miles from my house and is so much more flexible and realistic in the approach to real world diving. I was in there one day chatting and Vince the owner said "get a referal and Kevin will take you this week"...I have learned from my time at my LDS Saguaro Diving and Sports in Mesa Az wants people to be happy divers, diving is an expensive sport and they can save you money while you learn.

Trust me when I say that if I didn't have that credit I would not have had to ask.( there are not enough electrons to tell you about how that came about, in a economic sence I would get 50 cash or 100 credit humm can get more with $100)
I know from what everyone has said that I should have taken the money and ran but will do that Tuesday.

Like a I said earlier I was told about a free dive program so can still be around my friends but not as a customer.
 

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