I love new divers - but whats the definition??

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Ben_ca:
SBS,
Great points on Adversity and Diversity.... Toobad there isn't a rating/ranking structure to quantify skil levels like tennis

That's an interest concept. For those on the board who don't know, tennis uses a numerical rating, I think it goes from from 1 to 9 if I remember correctly; 1-2 is a beginner, 2 -3 someone who has some strokes but significant weakness 3-4 someone who is intermediate, has all the strokes but no threatening weapons; 5-6 advanced level, someone with strong strokes and at least one major weapon ( a massive serve, a deadly forehand) 7-8 is championship level, 9 is top 100 world player. When you go to a club, the head pro, for a fee, plays with you for an hour and then assigns you a number --- you the use that number at the club to enter tournaments or leagues appropriate for your level (example, a 3.5-4.0 league). This prevents people from being partnered with people beyond their skill level. In my college days, I was a 5 -5.5 player. This is similar to a golf handicap.

The same could be true of diving, where an instructor does several dives with you and judges your equiment and dive preparation, buoyancy skills, trim, etc and assigns you a number, from 1 (inexperienced klutz) to 10 (instructor/DM level). Then, when you are approached to buddy with someone, you will know some outside estimate of their skill/experience level. A dive operator would know what you could do, just flash a card with a rating and a date (on 11/18/05 instructor so and so rated me a 7.5 diver). AND it gives PADI (and others --- no bashing here) one more service to charge for! And one more stat for under our AVATAR to lie about! In fact, wink wink, they might make such a rating a yearly requirement!
 
Some very good points have been brought up about what defines a newbie and defines you as an experienced diver. The most important of which is that while you may be experienced in one area, you may still be considered a newbie in another. I feel completely at home doing a wreck dive here in S. Florida from 60-130' but if you took me to a cold dark quarry in the middle of winter I would definitley be the newbie.
 
down4fun:
Some very good points have been brought up about what defines a newbie and defines you as an experienced diver. The most important of which is that while you may be experienced in one area, you may still be considered a newbie in another. I feel completely at home doing a wreck dive here in S. Florida from 60-130' but if you took me to a cold dark quarry in the middle of winter I would definitley be the newbie.

No doubt it is easier to train and dive in a quarry and then go south, then to do the reverse. I did my first dozen dives barely able to see my hand in front of my face.
 
shakeybrainsurgeon:
No doubt it is easier to train and dive in a quarry and then go south, then to do the reverse. I did my first dozen dives barely able to see my hand in front of my face.
That may be true. But I have also seen over confident quarry divers get into trouble on there first salt water boat dive. Water no mater what type or where should humble a diver.
 
shakeybrainsurgeon:
1) Experience is a relative term --- if someone is bright and observant, they can learn quickly and become experienced quickly. Dolts can do something 1000 times and never be considered "experienced". (Some people are experienced after 20 dives, others may do 100 and not have any clue. I agree that 50 is a reasonable figure, though.)

I would think the dolt could be considered experienced, but key words such as 'bad' or 'incompetent' have to be included to paint the whole picture.

3) Adversity matters --- doing a hundred smooth operations does not teach you as much as a few bad ones

Yep, adversity can teach you a lot. If you are willing to listen...

Good points SBS.

Bill.
 
Should Bottom time count? It's one of my buddies opinoin that bottom time counts more than dives. From my experience (Usually) Planning, Diving and Surfacing are more difficult than cruising at depth.

I also believe as mentioned that Newbie is situational. Maybe its location, equipment or conditions/environment. Just my opinion.
 
I think that a new diver transitions to an experienced diver at different rates. I observe that it occurs when the diver is able to adapt, improvise and succeed regardless of the circumstances -----including dealing smoothly with things like a flooded mask or lost fins or even physical limitations and discomfort etc. N
 
Does it really matter? It's all just semantics anyways.
 

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