how to route prim hose?

[intodeco]

On a recent dive at a local (ish) lake one of the lads from our local BSAC mentioned that in a OOA situation to reach for his primary regulator, since its easier to find in low vis and his spare is on a elsticated neck cord. it felt much easier to do this as its much easier to find and in a actual OOA i can imagine in low vis its difficult to find the other. he has a much longer hose on his primary than i do, so im in the process of ordering a long miflex hose for mine. is there a standard 'setup' that divers follow to route the hose so it can be freed up once it is donated? tia

 

[Patoux01]

Miflex isn't the best for that, according to quite a few people.

Standard is down right at the hip, up to the left of the chest, around the neck. Look up hogarthian rig.

Some will just put it in hose retainers along the tank, but that's (imo) rubbish.

 

[tbone1004]

I would stick with standard hoses personally as they float less, but yes, there are multiple standards. Dive Rite has started marketing an Advanced Open Water regulator setup that many of us have been using for a long time.

https://www.divegearexpress.com/streamlined-ow

you can see the setups there. Alternatively you can go a DIR style where you use a 2m long hose and route it in what is called a hog loop.

https://www.globalunderwaterexplorers.org/equipment/config
you can see some examples and read the hows and the why's in that page

 

[intodeco]

thanks for the replies, i can see now how the hose is routed, and it makes a lot of sense.

 

[DJ457]

I have my octo on a 22" hose attached to a bungee around my neck. My primary reg is on a 7 foot hose that i route under my right weight pouch (if you have a canister light route it under the canister) across my chest, over the left shoulder and then around the neck. I have a bolt snap attached to that reg hose so when it's not in use I have it clipped off on a d-ring on the right side of my chest. Many use a 5 foot hose instead that just routes under the right arm and then around the neck. If my dive buddy has an OOA situation I donate my primary reg with the 7 foot hose and I use the octo on the bungee.

I use standard rubber hoses.

 

[Edward3c]

On a recent dive at a local (ish) lake one of the lads from our local BSAC mentioned that in a OOA situation to reach for his primary regulator, since its easier to find in low vis and his spare is on a elsticated neck cord. it felt much easier to do this as its much easier to find and in a actual OOA i can imagine in low vis its difficult to find the other. he has a much longer hose on his primary than i do, so im in the process of ordering a long miflex hose for mine. is there a standard 'setup' that divers follow to route the hose so it can be freed up once it is donated? tia

Hi,

As things currently stand. If you are undertaking BSAC training you are required to use secondary donate whenever an OOG drill is being taught or assessed. Using the configuration you've described is not acceptable. However, when you go diving you can use whatever configuration you like, if there were an incident you may have to show the insurers how you were trained in its use, i.e. a certificate.

Kind regards

 

[dmaziuk]

Hi, As things currently stand. If you are undertaking BSAC training you are required to use secondary donate whenever an OOG drill is being taught or assessed. Using the configuration you've described is not acceptable. However, when you go diving you can use whatever configuration you like, if there were an incident you may have to show the insurers how you were trained in its use, i.e. a certificate.

Just out of curiousity, if you start the drill breathing from your short hose with the long one in the octo holder on the d-ring or wherever, would that count as "secondary donate"?

 

[KenGordon]

Just out of curiousity, if you start the drill breathing from your short hose with the long one in the octo holder on the d-ring or wherever, would that count as "secondary donate"?

If you started the dive that way.

---------- Post added September 23rd, 2015 at 10:24 PM ----------

Hi,

As things currently stand. If you are undertaking BSAC training you are required to use secondary donate whenever an OOG drill is being taught or assessed. Using the configuration you've described is not acceptable. However, when you go diving you can use whatever configuration you like, if there were an incident you may have to show the insurers how you were trained in its use, i.e. a certificate.

Kind regards

Isn't it secondary take now?

---------- Post added September 23rd, 2015 at 10:26 PM ----------

On a recent dive at a local (ish) lake one of the lads from our local BSAC mentioned that in a OOA situation to reach for his primary regulator, since its easier to find in low vis and his spare is on a elsticated neck cord. it felt much easier to do this as its much easier to find and in a actual OOA i can imagine in low vis its difficult to find the other. he has a much longer hose on his primary than i do, so im in the process of ordering a long miflex hose for mine. is there a standard 'setup' that divers follow to route the hose so it can be freed up once it is donated? tia

That is describing primary take. Ie you TAKE the regulator from his mouth. Does any agency teach that?

The way I was taught this the regulator in the mouth is donated, not taken.

 

[Colliam7]

If you are undertaking BSAC training you are required to use secondary donate whenever an OOG drill is being taught or assessed. Using the configuration you've described is not acceptable.

Edward, just so I am clear - BSAC standards do NOT allow / endorse donation of the reg in the diver's mouth (which I consider to be the 'primary') in an OOA situation? Is that correct? I ask not because of any desire to criticize, just to better understand the standards.

 

[tbone1004]

Edward, just so I am clear - BSAC standards do NOT allow / endorse donation of the reg in the diver's mouth (which I consider to be the 'primary') in an OOA situation? Is that correct? I ask not because of any desire to criticize, just to better understand the standards.

you should be criticizing that, but yeah I'm interested in seeing that archaic/idiotic standard written out