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How to? Make/Buy Double Regulator Necklace
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napDiver
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I'll just forget about it...
I was taught SM Hog config (I have no plans on doing BM doubles or ZTD). LP short hose on the bungee and RP long hose with bolt snap to clip on right D-ring.
Problem
The problem I have with this, you are breathing off your LP short hose 50% of the time and when you donate during these instances, you are donating a regulator which you aren't breathing from (you risk a partially or fully compromised donated regulator). The other problem is that if someone was to rip the regulator out of your mouth, 50% of the time it would be your LP short hose. This may cause the situation to get more complicated through entanglement or who have you.
Why I was looking at Double Reg Necklace
So I looked into long hose for both LP & RP. I heard people doing this with 5' or 7'; however, the problem becomes entanglement with the typical LP bungee and RP bolt snap on right D-Ring. The only thing I heard that may make more sense, I heard of whispers of a double long hose with a double necklace. Although it had a huge backlash, which is probably why I could only find whispers.
I appreciate people holding their flames and trying to help. I know the community isn't very friendly to what isn't standard since it must be conservative to minimize our risk for our own lives and teammates.
I was taught SM Hog config (I have no plans on doing BM doubles or ZTD). LP short hose on the bungee and RP long hose with bolt snap to clip on right D-ring.
Problem
The problem I have with this, you are breathing off your LP short hose 50% of the time and when you donate during these instances, you are donating a regulator which you aren't breathing from (you risk a partially or fully compromised donated regulator). The other problem is that if someone was to rip the regulator out of your mouth, 50% of the time it would be your LP short hose. This may cause the situation to get more complicated through entanglement or who have you.
Why I was looking at Double Reg Necklace
So I looked into long hose for both LP & RP. I heard people doing this with 5' or 7'; however, the problem becomes entanglement with the typical LP bungee and RP bolt snap on right D-Ring. The only thing I heard that may make more sense, I heard of whispers of a double long hose with a double necklace. Although it had a huge backlash, which is probably why I could only find whispers.
I appreciate people holding their flames and trying to help. I know the community isn't very friendly to what isn't standard since it must be conservative to minimize our risk for our own lives and teammates.
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napDiver
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When you are breathing from your short hose, if an out of air diver rips your regulator from your mouth, you are now in a compromised position. You need to swap the ooa diver onto the long hose before you both are in a good position.
I was trying to avoid getting into a compromised position.
@napDiver I see what you're getting at. And, I agree that there is potential for a problem. But, I do not thing double bungees is the answer.
My thought is that you could do this: Use a 7' hose on both sides. On the left side, tuck the excess hose in, like you do with the extra on the right side already. I.e. stowed under bungees, in a loop or two, on the side of the left-side cylinder. Still have that one looped around your neck and on a bungee necklace. So, if someone does rip it out of your mouth, they can pull it out to a useful length.
That just leaves the problem of you having no reg in your mouth and the reg you need is clipped off to your right chest D-ring. I think if you use the right attachment for attaching that bolt snap to the right side long hose, it will not be a serious problem.
I use one of these to attach the bolt snap to my 7' hose: Hose Clip Retainer
I have been using them for a while now and never had one yet that came loose by accident. The nice thing is that they are stretchy. So, in the scenario we are talking about, you could grab the reg that is clipped to your right chest D-ring and pull it up and stick it in your mouth without having to unclip it first. No problem. Once you're breathing, then you can unclip it and get squared away at your leisure.
My thought is that you could do this: Use a 7' hose on both sides. On the left side, tuck the excess hose in, like you do with the extra on the right side already. I.e. stowed under bungees, in a loop or two, on the side of the left-side cylinder. Still have that one looped around your neck and on a bungee necklace. So, if someone does rip it out of your mouth, they can pull it out to a useful length.
That just leaves the problem of you having no reg in your mouth and the reg you need is clipped off to your right chest D-ring. I think if you use the right attachment for attaching that bolt snap to the right side long hose, it will not be a serious problem.
I use one of these to attach the bolt snap to my 7' hose: Hose Clip Retainer
I have been using them for a while now and never had one yet that came loose by accident. The nice thing is that they are stretchy. So, in the scenario we are talking about, you could grab the reg that is clipped to your right chest D-ring and pull it up and stick it in your mouth without having to unclip it first. No problem. Once you're breathing, then you can unclip it and get squared away at your leisure.
This is an example of something that seems great on paper but will likely cause more problems than it solves once you're underwater dealing with an emergency because it'll make for some interesting hose routing and entanglement hazard issues. Keep it simple, just give them the reg in your mouth, get them under control and breathing calmly, then switch them to the 7' hose.
JonG1
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Pretty common amongst UK sump divers using sidemount config, not got an image to hand but they usually incorporate a breakaway o ring.
I have seen it done different ways, from necklaces with 2xmouthpiece loops on a short section of bungee off the main necklace, others have mouthpiece loops on the harness and stow deploy as preferred.
I used to have the former when I dived Indy backmounted.
I have seen it done different ways, from necklaces with 2xmouthpiece loops on a short section of bungee off the main necklace, others have mouthpiece loops on the harness and stow deploy as preferred.
I used to have the former when I dived Indy backmounted.
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napDiver
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I've heard and can see lots of entanglement issues. At this point, with the short and long hose comfiguration i still find entanglements. Maybe ill try it the future when everything i do is 100% muscle memory, but i'm still concerned from the entanglement during an ooa situation. Appreciate your feedback and ideas though! It gave me another idea I'm going to think through.
I use that specific breakaway bungee for my long hose boltsnap. Do you use anything to keep it from sliding? I find that bungee breakaway tends to slide a lot throughout the dive.
If you are unsure about the appropriate length, you can use a cord lock temporarily to adjust.
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