How Much to Tip on a Liveaboard

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I don't think it is a fair analogy, no.

And no, DMs are not there "for your safety". If he is your buddy, then in that sense yes, but you are also there for his safety in that situation.

They are not there for on-boat safety??? Then what are they there for, just to fix an anchor or set my tanks??? Thanks, but no thanks, I'd actually rather do that myself. I may not know the DM, so I guarantee I don't trust them with my gear.
 
Tropicalwolf - I've met folks like you on the boat before. You're the person who starts complaining about the mosquitos on the dock before we board. Then you don't like your bunk or dive station assignment. When you hook up your regulator and find 2950 PSI in the tank, you want a top-off. You didn't come with a buddy, and don't have a solo card, and you complain about the new guy you end up buddied with, because he is running out of gas before you. When you analyse your cylinder (with my analyzer, because you don't own your own) you complain when you get analyzed at 31.4.

At breakfast the first morning, you stare at the chef when he presents scrambled eggs and corned beef hash, because you don't eat eggs, although you didn't tell us about any dietary restrictions (which we asked about when you booked), and you want the chef to make you a special meal. When we can't do a rig dive, or a deep wall dive, or dive the site you have read so much about because of conditions beyond the boats control, you don't say a word to me, but complain bitterly to the other passengers about "how disappointed" you are, and "how your vacation has been just ruined", causing a negative affect on the entire charter. When I have 2 or 3 divers on the boat who are very scary and we aren't going to dive where there is no bottom, like on a rig, I'm doing my best to bring everyone home alive while giving the majority the best time possible.

When we pull back into port, and you join the rest of the guests and crew for the final evening meal in a local restaurant, you peer closely at the bill, put in just enough to cover your bill plus a small (minuscule) tip, and state loudly that the service was lousy, the waitstaff was slow, and the food was cold, and you're not going to tip more than 2 bucks. Now, I live here, so I will make up your tip, because I bring a party of 25 or so to this restaurant every couple of weeks. That meal usually costs me $100 making up the shortfall in the check. Oh, yeah, they don't split checks in Key West. Don't even ask.

It's not even about the money. I have the highest paid crew in the liveaboard industry. It's the only way we have of keeping score. If you don't want to tip, write a glowing review and post it on your local chatboard. Send us a nice letter afterward. Write a lousy review if you feel that way. Tell the crew how we all suck and you'll never dive with us again. When you throw in a $20 in the tip basket, what you've just done is insult the crew. If you have the balls to treat us that way, at least be honest and tell us why.

Rakpix, since you're coming with me on your trip, we recommend 10% of the trip cost in the tip basket. If you were treated exceptionally well (by that, I mean we fixed your regulator for you, or lent you a dive computer, or replaced your high pressure hose, or lent you a pair of fins when you lost one, or made you vegetarian meals, or did whatever it took to keep you diving when your equipment crapped the bed), throw an extra 5% in to say thanks. If we did a lousy job, please tell us so we can fix it (or not) for next time.

Tropicalwolf, if it wasn't you I was describing, I humbly apologize for the insult.
 
Tropicalwolf - I've met folks like you on the boat before. You're the person who starts complaining about the mosquitos on the dock before we board. Then you don't like your bunk or dive station assignment. When you hook up your regulator and find 2950 PSI in the tank, you want a top-off. You didn't come with a buddy, and don't have a solo card, and you complain about the new guy you end up buddied with, because he is running out of gas before you. When you analyse your cylinder (with my analyzer, because you don't own your own) you complain when you get analyzed at 31.4.

At breakfast the first morning, you stare at the chef when he presents scrambled eggs and corned beef hash, because you don't eat eggs, although you didn't tell us about any dietary restrictions (which we asked about when you booked), and you want the chef to make you a special meal. When we can't do a rig dive, or a deep wall dive, or dive the site you have read so much about because of conditions beyond the boats control, you don't say a word to me, but complain bitterly to the other passengers about "how disappointed" you are, and "how your vacation has been just ruined", causing a negative affect on the entire charter. When I have 2 or 3 divers on the boat who are very scary and we aren't going to dive where there is no bottom, like on a rig, I'm doing my best to bring everyone home alive while giving the majority the best time possible.

When we pull back into port, and you join the rest of the guests and crew for the final evening meal in a local restaurant, you peer closely at the bill, put in just enough to cover your bill plus a small (minuscule) tip, and state loudly that the service was lousy, the waitstaff was slow, and the food was cold, and you're not going to tip more than 2 bucks. Now, I live here, so I will make up your tip, because I bring a party of 25 or so to this restaurant every couple of weeks. That meal usually costs me $100 making up the shortfall in the check. Oh, yeah, they don't split checks in Key West. Don't even ask.

It's not even about the money. I have the highest paid crew in the liveaboard industry. It's the only way we have of keeping score. If you don't want to tip, write a glowing review and post it on your local chatboard. Send us a nice letter afterward. Write a lousy review if you feel that way. Tell the crew how we all suck and you'll never dive with us again. When you throw in a $20 in the tip basket, what you've just done is insult the crew. If you have the balls to treat us that way, at least be honest and tell us why.

Rakpix, since you're coming with me on your trip, we recommend 10% of the trip cost in the tip basket. If you were treated exceptionally well (by that, I mean we fixed your regulator for you, or lent you a dive computer, or replaced your high pressure hose, or lent you a pair of fins when you lost one, or made you vegetarian meals, or did whatever it took to keep you diving when your equipment crapped the bed), throw an extra 5% in to say thanks. If we did a lousy job, please tell us so we can fix it (or not) for next time.

Tropicalwolf, if it wasn't you I was describing, I humbly apologize for the insult.

Ha! Wookie, I've met Operators like you before. You're the type that...

ah, skip it, you're the type that as a BUSINESSMAN would randomly insult someone you don't know on a message board centered around how you earn a living, thus giving people (who may have been looking at you as a charter) an insight into the true nature of the kind of person you are and how you probably really feel about some of your clients...

Brilliant...

I could have fun picking apart your characterization of me, but it is not worth my time. Other than I must contradict a couple items:

I have dove in 3rd world country canals with more mosquitoes than most people can count

Money is not the issue

and I raise chickens, so I love eggs ;)

(Oh yeah, apology accepted)
 
I tip fairly generously, usually 15% of the charter cost. Those who say they are tipping this much or more are in a very small minority, based on my conversations with my fellow divers, or they are lying. I tip generously at restaurants as well (25% in NYC), and anywhere else I deem it appropriate (which does not include Starbucks, by the way).

Having said that, I would caution those in the business who seem to view these threads as an opportunity to lobby readers who haven't fully embraced tipping norms--and as an opportunity to boost those norms. Similar campaigns among waiters really took the pleasure out of tipping in NYC restaurants for me. Of course I still tipped--it would be pretty shabby not to--but I also opted to eat in a lot more, probably costing the waiters of NYC a couple of thousand dollars a year. Once it becomes an explicit obligation and the recalcitrant among us who opt not to tip, or opt to be a little less generous, are pilloried as "cheapskates," then you have done yourselves more harm than good, in my opinion.

PS. Since I read the Nekton threads I always tip in cash to make sure the crew gets it. And I tip each crew member personally.
 
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Ha! Wookie, I've met Operators like you before. You're the type that...

has the highest business standards in scuba businees and ranks #1 on how he treats his customers.

Frank is among the best in the business - period.
 
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Ha! Wookie, I've met Operators like you before. You're the type that...

... reads like a straight shooter to me. Based on his post I'd dive with him.

Sounds like if you had a problem and brought it to Wookie's attention in a sensible manner, it would get taken care of if at all possible.

IMNSHO

Henrik
 
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... reads like a straight shooter to me. Based on his post I'd dive with him.

Sounds like if you had a problem and brought it to Wookie's attention in a sensible manner, it would get taken care of if at all possible.

IMNSHO

Henrik

To me it's slightly off putting. I've seen a number of business people on this board who I respect "get into it" with other people on the board. In every case, I myself agreed with the person I respect. Also in every case, it didn't end with me thinking *better* of the person I respect. The proverb "When you wrestle with a pig you both get dirty but the pig enjoys it" is quite true.

I like it that some business people come here and in an open manner rather than just giving a sales pitch. But there are potential downsides too.
 

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