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emttim

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Today I actually made some phone calls and attempted to get an idea of what instructors make, because obviously since any person will have bills to pay, salary is a concern whether someone wants to admit it or not. All I have to say is wow. I was told that in Key Largo at least, typically you're given a salary of $1,500 per month plus tips. Ok, here's the big issue I have with this. In Key Largo, they're charging ****ing $500 per person for a class, and if you're on salary, they can work you as much as they damn well please and you're getting table scraps while they're raking on a hell of a lot of money. I don't know if it's like this everywhere, I would assume not, but I have to say I'm simply amazed that some resorts will take advantage of their employees that much.

Is it normal to get paid salary or is it more typical to get paid per class? I would think it would be a lot more fair to get paid for how much you work, instead of a flat rate which sucks to begin with, or at least something along those lines. I'm aware life isn't fair, but there's a difference between life and ridiculous; I think this is the latter.

After finding that out, I'm half-tempted to just do Divemaster for my own knowledge and leave it at that. It's in someone else's signature on here, but as a professional, one should be expected to be paid as such. I don't see why anyone would work for a dive shop under those conditions when, strictly speaking from economics, if you wanted to be an instructor you could at least make a decent amount of money on the side (supplemented by another job since obviously if you're an independent then you won't have a steady flow of business which you may not have anyway in a dive shop) even when the cost of renting a classroom or pool is taken into account. And ironically, you could avoid the cost of renting a pool simply by teaching non-Open Water classes since OW is the only one that requires a pool to the best of my knowledge.

I dunno, there's not much of a point to this thread other than to rant at how ridiculous an instructor's pay is considering how ridiculously overpriced the classes are in Key Largo. I'll definitely be an independent instructor if I ever do decide to invest the time in it....I'm surprised to find something that pays even more poorly than being a paramedic but I'd say dive instructor qualifies. :shakehead:
 
Jobs that are really enjoyable are rarely paid well. I am sure the people who hire instructors are well aware that most people get into it for the love of diving and would work for scraps! Simple supply and demand issue here really.
 
Jobs that are really enjoyable are rarely paid well. I am sure the people who hire instructors are well aware that most people get into it for the love of diving and would work for scraps! Simple supply and demand issue here really.

Understandable, although I suppose I simply don't have the lack of ethics and morality required to do that sort of business. For instance, me and my best friend are talking about opening an ambulance company once I get my medic (he already has his), but we've both agreed that as the company makes more money, the employees will get paid more. It's never crossed our minds to keep the pay ridiculously low even if we're raking in a lot of profit.

Sure, people will work in fields such as EMS, diving, etc. for scraps because they love it, but doesn't mean someone needs to take advantage of that....it just means that there's the possibility to do so; regardless of whether it's the correct thing to do or not.
 
Sure I agree. If I had employees in my business I would be the same. :)

On this particular case though, that you have mentioned, I wouldn't mind hearing some info about the people who run the classes. Perhaps they have very high overhead or such that means they aren't actually making that much profit off their instructors? I really have no idea really, so not saying you're wrong ;) but it would be interesting to hear the other side.
 
I am not in the dive business, but I am in business. I appologize if I come accross harsh, but I do beleive that you underestimate the challenge of operating a Scuba diving operation. Moreover, I beleive a very generous return should be expected on high-risk capital (I hope it goes without question that any investment in the diving business would involve high risk capital). Either that or bankruptcy.
 
Sure I agree. If I had employees in my business I would be the same. :)

On this particular case though, that you have mentioned, I wouldn't mind hearing some info about the people who run the classes. Perhaps they have very high overhead or such that means they aren't actually making that much profit off their instructors? I really have no idea really, so not saying you're wrong ;) but it would be interesting to hear the other side.

Right, that's just the thing, there's no way to know for sure if they are fleecing the employees or if perhaps they're trying to scrounge as much profit up to survive during the off-season. I definitely have a newfound respect for dive instructors though that they would accept such a poor standard of living to teach scuba.

Personally, I'm definitely going to stick to going for paramedic...they don't make much but 37K/yr starting is a lot better than that. Plus the job kicks ass. :D
 
actor, radio dj, dive instructor....;)

If you love diving I suggest just being a diver and enjoying it. If you can afford to, then become a dive instructor and do classes for charity etc...

Adding "the need to make money" to the equation frequently equals hatred for the thing you once loved.

There is a difference between doing it because you love it and doing it because you now have to.

jmho;)
 
actor, radio dj, dive instructor....;)

If you love diving I suggest just being a diver and enjoying it. If you can afford to, then become a dive instructor and do classes for charity etc...

Adding "the need to make money" to the equation frequently equals hatred for the thing you once loved.

There is a difference between doing it because you love it and doing it because you now have to.

jmho;)

I'm seeing that...I think I'm going to settle for opening an ambulance company in an area where no travel is required to dive, 'cause I'd have to guess that's how you guys get those hundreds or thousands of dives. :P
 
actor, radio dj, dive instructor....;)

If you love diving I suggest just being a diver and enjoying it. If you can afford to, then become a dive instructor and do classes for charity etc...

Adding "the need to make money" to the equation frequently equals hatred for the thing you once loved.

There is a difference between doing it because you love it and doing it because you now have to.

jmho;)

From my own experience as a musician, I have to say you've hit the nail on the head.
 
I think you may be missing half of the equation here. Maybe the base salary doesn't meet with your expectations, but you did say "plus tips". In that scenario, I would have to point out that you have the opportunity to earn as much as you want to and still have the "salary" to fall back on in order to meet your basic needs. Tips can be huge or small depending on if you earn them...but the potential is certainly there - especially in Key Largo.
 

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