Housing Size Comparison - Ikelike Compact vs. Seatool DSLR (XTi or 400D)

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F3, the handles do come off... Bet you could put an entire Seatool setup, macro port + dome, 2xInon strobes, camera, and a couple lenses, all in a nice small camera carryon backpack. Try that with the Ikelite. And I'd rather have to push the Seatool/Inon setup through a ripping current even with strobes out than that Ike setup.

Imagine that, just by sinking a few thousand dollars more over an Ikelite, one can pack the Seatool in a small carry on backpack! So it’s really not about cutting down on the bulk of the housing in its actual point of use U/W, but the convenience of being able to carry it a small carry-on!

And silly me I was going to take that few thousand dollars to buy an extra airline ticket and hire someone to carry that OVERSIZE Ikelite housing!!! Isn’t all this high tech stuff amazing?!! What will they think of next? Hey Thanks a bunch! :clapping:
 
So it’s really not about cutting down on the bulk of the housing in its actual point of use U/W

read my post again... and try looking at the picture again that Gudge posted...

And while you're at it, take all that money you've saved not getting a DSLR housing and maybe actually spend some time diving instead of ranting on SB all the time...

Happy Bubbles...:14:
 
Put an 8-inch dome on any of these housings and they'll all be huge.
David

AUTiger, actually the Seatool dome is quite small. The prototype that Ohmura-san had on display at the Asia Dive Expo must have been 16cm or less diameter wise. Probably does well with a Tokina 10-17 fisheye, not sure how it will do with other domes that can't focus as close.
 
i have to say this was one of the most informative threads that i have read in a wile on camera housing.

When i was looking at housings i looked at both Ike, sea tool and AQUATICA. And for me it was obvious which housing felt better in my hands and which one felt like it was thrown together. Personally i have nothing against ikelight and what they do. they make cheep, fairly well made housings comparatively speaking. The drawbacks to them are that they are made out plastic and not aluminum and the controls are not as well place as on the Aquatica or seatool housings.

2 the aluminum housing just feel better than there plastic counter parts and seem like they will last longer and can be put through a lot more punishment. i love the fact that i do not have to take my hands off the handles to change any of the setting on my camera.

As for size, the Aquatica housing for the Canon 30D is about 20% smaller than its ikelight competitor's and the "box" ikelight uses for the XTI is nearly the same exact one used with the canon 30D. Ikelight and fantasy housing sell 10 time more housings than what company like seatool and Aquatica sell, more over there are much higher R and D costs for making aluminum housing both these fact translate into hight retail cost for the consumer. In the end it is like comparing apples to oranges.

as for 10 and 12 mp P&S most have plastic lens and small Sensor chips and basically this means that even though you might have a 12 mp P&S the lens will not have enough clarity to take use of the 12 megpaixels. yes i know that the make PS with APS C side sensors and descent glass lenses bust even those are not as sharp as an SLR with a good lens.

in the end it comes down to one thing
 
i have to say this was one of the most informative threads that i have read in a wile on camera housing.

When i was looking at housings i looked at both Ike, sea tool and AQUATICA. And for me it was obvious which housing felt better in my hands and which one felt like it was thrown together. Personally i have nothing against ikelight and what they do. they make cheep, fairly well made housings comparatively speaking. The drawbacks to them are that they are made out plastic and not aluminum and the controls are not as well place as on the Aquatica or seatool housings.

2 the aluminum housing just feel better than there plastic counter parts and seem like they will last longer and can be put through a lot more punishment. i love the fact that i do not have to take my hands off the handles to change any of the setting on my camera.

As for size, the Aquatica housing for the Canon 30D is about 20% smaller than its ikelight competitor's and the "box" ikelight uses for the XTI is nearly the same exact one used with the canon 30D. Ikelight and fantasy housing sell 10 time more housings than what company like seatool and Aquatica sell, more over there are much higher R and D costs for making aluminum housing both these fact translate into hight retail cost for the consumer. In the end it is like comparing apples to oranges.

as for 10 and 12 mp P&S most have plastic lens and small Sensor chips and basically this means that even though you might have a 12 mp P&S the lens will not have enough clarity to take use of the 12 megpaixels. yes i know that the make PS with APS C side sensors and descent glass lenses bust even those are not as sharp as an SLR with a good lens.

in the end it comes down to one thing

How so? I had an Ikelite SLR housing for years without any problems with the controls lining up did Ikelite change their quality control since then? The advantage with Ikelite’s clear Plexiglas (lexan) housing is that you can see the controls hitting the buttons with the housing closed, not so with a metal housing.

Plus the fact that aluminum housings will corrode (saltwater) where the finish is chipped away.

R&D is not where most of the cost is being eaten up it’s the cost of making a custom molding or tooling for an aluminum housing.

First, a mold for metals is much more expensive than a mold for Plexiglas, the machining cost about the same but the finishing on the aluminum housing eats up more of the cost.

Second is marketing, because the aluminum housing makers have to recoup their money in this very limited market before the Big Boys (Canon, Nikon etc.) come up with the next latest and greatest DLSR! They are really at the mercy of the DSLR makers.

So it’s NOT like “comparing apples to oranges” it’s more like comparing a Fuji apple to a Washington apple. Both housing take U/W photos very well it’s all about how much money you are willing to throw around.

Are you also saying that a camera maker like Canon is selling a higher end P&S like the G9 with a 12 megapixel sensor then slapping on a low resolution lens? Because if this were true I guarantee you there will be a bigtime lawsuit!

And you said “SLR with a good lens” not DSLRs? Because some of the AF lenses for DSLRs are made of plastic…plastic lens body and lenses from China! Now I do know that my manual focus Nikon ED lenses are all glass and metal.

In the end just look at your pictures you had taken with your DSLR in a metal housing...and see which of those cannot be taken with a high end P&S or a DSLR in a Plexiglas housing.
 
Having owned both Ikelite and Aquatica dSLR housings, I can say that both are quality housings, each with it's own advantages. However, my personal preference would be the Aquatica over the Ikelite if were considering a new housing.

It's nice to have the clear housing so that you can see into the housing to make sure that there's no water intrusion. With the aluminum housings, it can't really be done. Not a big deal for me, I added an inexpensive moisture alarm with both visual and audio alarms.

In both housings, the levers line up properly. No issues there. The differences between the two I found were a bit more subtle. The gearing on the Aquatica was more precise - the controls moved more smootly than with the Ikelite gearing. After quite a bit of use on the Ikelite gearing, it eventually started slipping and I replaced the gearing (covered under warranty). As well, the tactile feel for the levers like the shutter release was better with the Aquatica. But like I say, these differences are quite subtle. Not that there isn't anything wrong with the Ike housings, but my personal preference would be with the Aquatica.

The more compact Aquatica is a defeninte benefit as well. Not a huge difference as I still have to pack both housings the same anyway. As for the cost difference, it wasn't as much as I had anticipated. At least compared to a number of other aluminum housing manufacturers.
 
And I agree its about "personal preference" and to me... cost.

Your key word of "subtle" is correct in terms of the gearing for manual focusing or zooming controls. I did notice the difference between my Ikelite (plastic gears) and Aquatica (metal gears) SLR housings for the F3. But the DSLRs of today use autofocusing and if a non zooming lens is used those gears are not an issue.
 
read my post again... and try looking at the picture again that Gudge posted...

And while you're at it, take all that money you've saved not getting a DSLR housing and maybe actually spend some time diving instead of ranting on SB all the time...

Happy Bubbles...:14:

Ahh…now you are trying to suppress freedom of speech by calling it a rant? And to think I did not try and suppress you about your personal preference to the naked guy thing… not that there is anything wrong with that mind you, even though this is a family oriented forum. :11:
 
Personal preference plays a big role. In the end, it's what's important to you that matters and drives your decision making process.

Cost is important to me too. I don't like spending more than I need to, but if I spend more on a system, then there must be an appreciable difference or benefit to me that I would find of value. At the end of the day, the Aquatica system was only a few hundred dollars more than my Ikelite setup, and for the better gearing and compactness, along with the other benefits seemed to me to be worth the difference. The Ikelite system cost me a bit more in terms of additional ports since (with the exception of the 8" dome system) they don't use port extensions, whereas the Aquatica did. This saved me the cost of additional ports as well has having less to travel with the Aquatica since I didn't have to carry as many ports. Combined with the smaller size of the housing itself, that was a big bonus to me for the Aquatica over my Ike housing.

As for the gearing, that was important to me too. Although the lenses are autofocus, I do a fair bit of macro and the manual focus is really nice to have when you're doing supermacro (higher magnification than 1:1). As well, one of my favourite lenses to use in the tropics is the 12-24mm, which is good for a large range of subjects, but I do need the ability to be able to zoom in and out. On my Ike housing, the zoom gearing ended getting stripped as over time, the pressure on the port applied frictional pressure on the zoom collar and was making it harder and harder to operate. The precision wasn't quite as good as the Aquatica, and it just ended up stripping after a while, but Ikelite was nice enough to replace it for me. So doing with out focusing and zooming for me is not an option. Sure, in cold water wreck diving I just slap my 10.5mm fisheye on there and I don't worry about zooming or focusing, but I couldn't do the same in the tropics. No way, too important.
 
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