Hogarthian diving etymology

[boulderjohn]

But it is so interesting to see so much of the gear and methods that were developed specifically to stay alive in a cave slowly work their way into mainstream diving and mostly for the better.

I wrote something about this years ago. Diving equipment and procedures evolved in three different worlds simultaneously, the open water world, the cave diving world, and the wreck diving world. The word "evolve" is apt, because they changed in response to their environments. Slowly, those worlds are converging.

Cave diving started with equipment and procedures from the open water diving, but it was obvious changes were needed. According to Sheck Exley's Basic Cave Diving: A Blueprint for Survival, at least 26 people died in Florida caves in 1974. Step by step, procedures were developed for that unique environment. When alternative regulators began to be used, the OW divers figured out ways to rig them, but none of those systems worked in a cave environment, so they created the long hose primary and bungeed alternate, which was soon adopted for all technical diving. The system created for OW diving works well enough for that for people to be satisfied, but little by little people are realizing that the cave diving method works better in the OW, too.

An example of the different worlds of cave and wreck diving is the way you find yourself in and out of an overhead environment. Cave diving went very quickly to having a continuous line to the surface, while wreck divers relied on something called progressive penetration--go in a bit on your first trip, go a little farther on the next, etc., until you know your way around. Line laying slowly took over, but as little as 13 years ago, I was learning wreck diving from someone who was dead set against laying lines in a wreck (entanglement hazard). I haven't heard anyone say anything good about progressive penetration in a long time.

 

[tursiops]

He is somebody who does not dive with "strokes" it appears .

Much of the information you want to know is lost to time. Most of the beginnings and roots of cave exploration began in Florida Cave Country in the 60's, 70's and 80's. There was no internet. There were no forums, the major publications (and abcd dive cert agencies) avoided dangerous topics like cave diving, deep diving, voodoo gas (Nitrox) and technical/deco/trimix diving. And people were dying in these caves regularly. These fellows, well, the ones that were more successful at staying alive, spread their methods and gear configurations mostly by word of mouth or smoke signals or homing pigeons because there were no cell phones either. And as you can tell from some of it all, there was some bickering and fussing about what is better, who did what and why what they did was better than one the other fellow did. And there were cliques who did not always get along. Unless one became deceased in the process and I assume then that the better way was decided sometimes in exactly that way, the school of hard knocks.

I did some very modest cave diving in the 70s. I saw a lot of experimentation, home made and modified gear being used. Cave diving evolved rapidly to certifications and relatively specific configurations of gear and perhaps most import, methodologies that were successful in keeping the adherents alive. I saw divers pulled out of a well known system. I am not going to say where, when or who, it left an indelible mark on my brain. And as soon as my wife to be, I still have the letter she wrote me in 1978, stating that it was a fact that I would no longer dive in caves and I had about that time decided that I was no longer interested in cave diving any longer. But it is so interesting to see so much of the gear and methods that were developed specifically to stay alive in a cave slowly work their way into mainstream diving and mostly for the better. So, whoever Billy Williams was, and all the rest of them who are lost in time, kudos to you all.

Here is a contribution from Billy Williams.

 

[Nemrod]

Here is a contribution from Billy Williams.

LOL, that attachment is in my post number 15 . Which is why the question of who was he came up from the OP .

 

[tursiops]

Who invented the Goodman handle for lights?

Bob Goodman. here are some links about him.

History of the NSS-CDS - NSS CDS

A brief history of cave diving and the origins of the Cave Diving Section of the National Speleological Society.

nsscds.org

Exploration​

Early survey and mapping of Florida’s underwater caves marked the “golden age” of cave diving exploration. During the 1960s, NSS diver John Harper was the first American diver to lead teams beyond the daylight zones regularly. He and Joe Fuller set records for the world’s first 1000-foot penetration in Hornsby Sink and doubled this distance for a world’s record first traverse distance in December 1962. John’s teams discovered most of the submerged passages explored in this decade.

The next ten years saw underwater cave passage expanded to approximately 200,000 feet. Sheck Exley was lucky enough to be the first to see most of this, together with dive partners Carl Fowler, Chuck Stevens, Charlie Sturdivant, Dutch Vande Noord, Court Smith, Lewis Holtzendorff, Dana Turner, David Fisk, Clark Pitcairn, Ken Hillier, Bob Goodman, Bill Walters, Dale Sweet, Mary Ellen Eckhoff, John Zumrick, and Paul DeLoach, among others. Florida’s Peacock Springs Cave System was the world’s longest known system at the end of the 1970s, having been surveyed by NSS-CDS members to 20,293 feet.

Exploration Chronology (Casey McKinlay, Mike Wisenbaker) | GUE

www.gue.com

May 23, 1965: Ed Henderson, John Crotty, Bill Osgood (for whom Osgood Sink in the eastern portion of the Woodville Karst Plain is named) and Aubrey Morris penetrated McBrides Slough cave to 130 feet, labeling it a highly dangerous cave. In the 1970s, Bob Goodman, Kirby Sullivan and others explored a couple of thousand feet of passages in this small cave, just northeast of Wakulla Springs.
January 4, 1973: Bob Goodman, Kirby Sullivan and Tex Chalkley swam upstream from Go-Between Sink and discovered Fern, Cream, Wood and Trench Sinks.
January 11, 1973: Bob Goodman, Kirby Sullivan and Tex Chalkley swam upstream from Trench Sink and discovered a cypress-lined karst window that they named Venture.
March 16, 1973: Bob Goodman, Kirby Sullivan and Tex Chalkley finned their way against the current in Venture Sink and wound up at Clearcut Sink, surrounded by a low-lying swampy area.
March 23, 1974: Bob Goodman and Kirby Sullivan linked Chips Hole with Cals Cave of the Pipeline System.
July 18, 1974: Bob Goodman and Tex Chalkley used DPVs (Farallon scooters) for the first time in the Woodville Karst Plain. It was not until five years later, however, that DPVs became feasible for extending the range of cave explorations.
April 17, 1976: Bob Goodman and Kirby Sullivan powered their way upstream in Cheryl Sink and discovered a gigantic room that they dubbed the Black Abyss.
September 27, 1976: Bob Goodman and Kirby Sullivan dropped into Split Sink for a dive and ended up a few minutes later in Cheryl Sink (formerly called Tiny Sink by Sheck Exley), renamed in honor of the woman who later would become Goodman's wife.
October 7, 1976: Bob Goodman, Kirby Sullivan, Tex Chalkley and John Zumrick entered Cheryl Sink and later surfaced in a small sink they named Circle Chasm.
May 1, 1977: Kirby Sullivan, Bob Goodman, Tex Chalkley and John Zumrick once again dropped into Cheryl Sink and swam downstream; they passed through Circle Chasm, and emerged in Emerald Sink, which they described as possibly the most beautiful sink in Florida.
July 1, 1977: Bob Goodman and Kirby Sullivan linked Clearcut Sink with Malloy Memorial (or M.M.) named in dishonor of local cave diver Dale Malloy. The Fish Hole/Emerald tunnel runs under the sink but does not open into it.
March 3, 1979: Kirby Sullivan and Bob Goodman discovered and dived a log-choked offset sink in a low swampy area of the Apalachicola National Forest. Bob called it Sullivan Sink as a tribute to Kirby.

https://nsscds.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/UWS_Vol_12_003.pdf

EMERALD-FISHHOLE CONNECTION MADE John Zumrick reported that he and Paul DeLoach laid the last couple of hundred feet connecting Emerald and J;i-!'1hhole on a multiple-stage scooter dive in early ~ :. The distance of the traverse is somewhere between IJVO and 8000 feet. John says that Bob Goodman was responsible for most of the original exploration upstream of Fishhole to the "Dropoff," and that downstream of Emerald was first done by Bob Goodman, John Zumrick. and Tex Chalkley.​

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[Nemrod]

Learn something new and even obvious every once and a while. Thank you. I figured it came from the clan of the cave. Just another example of the many contributions of Florida cave diving to the large dive community.

And now I know who to blame for the near permanent bruises on the top of my right hand .

Going back to Hogarthian, per some articles including the interview, he sees the Hog rig as dynamic and evolving to suit the environment (but not personal preference). Others have decided dogma rules and that the Hogarthain rig is static and never changing no matter the environment.

 

[Umuntu]

Learn something new and even obvious every once and a while. Thank you. I figured it came from the clan of the cave. Just another example of the many contributions of Florida cave diving to the large dive community.

And now I know who to blame for the near permanent bruises on the top of my right hand .

Going back to Hogarthian, per some articles including the interview, he sees the Hog rig as dynamic and evolving to suit the environment (but not personal preference). Others have decided dogma rules and that the Hogarthain rig is static and never changing no matter the environment.

Much of the vintage OW dive equipment from early scuba manufacturers, such as Healthways and Aqualung/Spirotechnique, already reflected a minimalist harness and backplate system.

In some ways it was even more minimalist … no wings, octopus, spg etc. all of which came later.

 

[jborg]

Going back to Hogarthian, per some articles including the interview, he sees the Hog rig as dynamic and evolving to suit the environment (but not personal preference). Others have decided dogma rules and that the Hogarthain rig is static and never changing no matter the environment.

Who has decided that? I know of no agency that specifies using an identical equipment setup no matter the environment.

 

[Nemrod]

Who has decided that? I know of no agency that specifies using an identical equipment setup no matter the environment.

Did you read the attachments where the friction came to be between Bill and Gavin and others are mentioned and inferred due to the one wanting to keep changing up things and the others not? I said nothing about agencies. We are talking about who these people are and how things came to be or at least I was. Read all of the attached articles, that is all I can tell you.