Hi O2 mix 1st stage and equipment

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boogeywoogey:
What I was driving at, is, at what point could/would you stop using a standard rig and decide to have a completely O2 clean rig?? And then, what are the best rigs...as in brands...who has the best track record??
I'm not an expert. The following is opinion. Once you get to gas mixes involving greater than 40% O2 its a wise idea to use equipment prepared for O2. First, recognize that your tanks should be O2 cleaned (no oxidization, whether steel or aluminum) along with your tank valves. With respect to your regulators, O2 cleaning involves ensuring that no tiny particulate is inadvertantly trapped anywhere within your regulator, that there is no oxidization or surface irregularities, and that there are no tiny nicks or burrs - nothing that would be disadvantageous in a high oxygen environment. Second, (while there is disagreement on the topic,) its generally considered prudent to replace all internal components such as the high pressure seat and o-rings with products better suited to high O2 environments (such as viton). While there are conflicting opinions, IMHO this goes in spades for any decompression regulator that will be used on an O2 bottle. (Just remember that you may need to switch regulators around due to one failure or another, either on your rig or a team-mates....so ensure that all your regulators are capable of meeting all the team's needs. Many of my friends essentially own five identical regulators, in fact, most of my friends use 5 Apeks regs. I use 5 Scubapro regs.)

In terms of 'best' regs, as you know, thats a loaded question. Many technical divers use Apeks, they have the advantage of being endorsed by a number of outspoken divers with considerable reputations. I use Scubapro and have never felt at any disadvantage underwater. Atomics are excellent regulators. Aqua-lung regulators have good reputations. Some would suggest that an even better design for cold water use might be the Poseidon Xtreme regulators - they have a geometrically reduced number of moving internal parts, something ridiculous...and the design in fact derives from a valve used in handling bulk oxygen; a stainless steel ball closing down at the apex of a stainless steel funnel or cone. It's clearly a personal choice - however, I have two additional points you may wish to consider. First, with respect to annual maintenance, it is much easier to purchase tools and spare parts to maintain your own regs with Apeks, for example, than it is with Scubapro. Go ahead, ask me how I know this. :wink: When you are maintaining 5 regulators or more of your own annually, it is prudent to select a reg you can purchase the parts and tools for. Second, your regs are not really "yours". They are team gear. This sounds trite, but its true. It makes a great deal of sense to dive 5 of the exact same regs that all your buddies are diving. You can get parts from a buddy in remote locations, if someone has issues you can interchange regs without problems, and all in all its simply one less thing to worry about if everyone uses the exact same regs. So I'd advise that you purchase whatever the rest of your team is using.

FWIW.

YMMV.

Doc
 
Amen Doc... My team's got an assortment of backgas regs just because we got the regs before we met each other but our deco regs are all the same.

Just thought I'd throw another brand out there. The DiveRite regs come with all O2 compatible components. That's what my team uses on our deco bottles. They are good breathers and they are fairly cheap (and you can get service parts online, much easier than Apeks). I've never used an OMS reg but I've heard not so good things about them.

Here's a statement on DR regs: http://www.diveriteexpress.com/library/nitroxready.shtml

That said, remember it takes 3 things for combustion: fuel, heat and an oxidizer. I know of several people who will use any reg on a deco bottle but they are usually very carefull when opening the valve. The idea is that heat comes from the shockwave of the gas hitting walls and such in the 1st stage and if they can crack the valve slowly enough, they are minimizing that.
 
ianr33:
Dear Boogey

Have you maybe considered doing a search? There is rather an abundance of information already available on this topic.

Also if you find that the members here dont have "any idea" you might consider asking on the decostop. www.thedecostop.com that is a technical board and I am sure you will get some interesting answers to your questions.

i visit a fair amout of different forums.. both scuba and non scuba related.
and of all the useless troll, pad and just plain stupid post that one has got to rank on the top 2 of not #1
do a search is bad enough. its a good question hes asking..
hes talking about 100% o2 mabe other threads didnt specify what regs where for 100%
but to tell him to search a whole other forum
why not just ask the mods of scubaboard directly link the tech diving sub forum to the deco stop.

anyway
ontopic
doc as always makes a good post
and MOST everyone here has posted good info
green.... asked a question. about whats considered a hight amount..
well anything above 21 is highr than air, yes but generaly 40% and above requires special cleaning
and 1 more tid bit of info.
some people out ther have titanium regs..
yeah no good. cant properly o2 clean titanium. too porous (sp)
other than that.
almost any reg can be o2 cleaned. and most come that way from the factory now a days..
but just double check brfore you hand over your hard earned money
 
While I agree with the above posts that most any regulator....exceptions being titanium ones, can be O2 cleaned. To directly answer your question the regulators I can think of that are 100% O2 clean out of the box are the Oceanic Tech O2, Mares MR12 Nitrox, Mares Abyss Nitrox, and the Poseidon XStream (White). I am sure there are others as well as companies that have O2 clean regulators but don't advertise as such.

Obviously, any O2 clean regulator can only be used with O2. You can't switch it back in forth from air to O2.
 
dandrian:
Obviously, any O2 clean regulator can only be used with O2. You can't switch it back in forth from air to O2.

Yeah, sorry but I don't see the logic in that statement either. Maybe you could elaborate. Also, if you are nitrox certified, maybe you should reference your text.

I am not interested in sparking a debate that strays from the topic, and there are searches that you can do to find out why you can go back and forth. Because that would imply that tanks would fall into the same ruling and that no matter what you were diving whether it was a deep wreck, or in a pool you would have to use nitrox.
 
Diesel298:
i visit a fair amout of different forums.. both scuba and non scuba related.
and of all the useless troll, pad and just plain stupid post that one has got to rank on the top 2 of not #1
do a search is bad enough. its a good question hes asking..
hes talking about 100% o2 mabe other threads didnt specify what regs where for 100%
but to tell him to search a whole other forum
why not just ask the mods of scubaboard directly link the tech diving sub forum to the deco stop.

Wow ! I am honored :)

boogeywoogey:
Hi,

I would dearly like opinions on the possibilty of first stage (and second if your laziness gets me) of completely PURE/O2
gear. (that is for immediate use at 45% plus). Of course its the first stage.

Of course none of you have any idea......but please surprise me.....PLEASE.


Thanks.

boogey

I think that the quality of the answer matched that of the question,but then I obviously have no idea............
 
Ok I guess what I was trying to say that as soon as you use an O2 clean regulator with air, then it is not O2 clean anymore. Yes, it can be O2 cleaned again, but I took that the original poster was talking about using 100% O2. Maybe I misunderstood what he was looking for. Some people use O2 clean to describe regulators used for nitrox. To me O2 clean and nitrox clean are two different things. A nitrox clean regulator is used with air all the time. Most regs come out of the box with 40% nitrox clean. An O2 clean regulator is on an O2 content greater than 40% and sometimes even 100% like on a deco bottle.

Technically, companies like Atomic even say that you shouldn't use their regs interchangably between air and nitrox, but I agree there are plenty of discussions about this. Again, my comment was under the impression that he was asking about the higher O2 contents.

Maybe I need some clarification as to my terms and definitions in regards to the cleaning processes if what I am saying is not accurate.
 
dandrian:
Ok I guess what I was trying to say that as soon as you use an O2 clean regulator with air, then it is not O2 clean anymore. Yes, it can be O2 cleaned again, but I took that the original poster was talking about using 100% O2. Maybe I misunderstood what he was looking for. Some people use O2 clean to describe regulators used for nitrox. To me O2 clean and nitrox clean are two different things. A nitrox clean regulator is used with air all the time. Most regs come out of the box with 40% nitrox clean. An O2 clean regulator is on an O2 content greater than 40% and sometimes even 100% like on a deco bottle.

Technically, companies like Atomic even say that you shouldn't use their regs interchangably between air and nitrox, but I agree there are plenty of discussions about this. Again, my comment was under the impression that he was asking about the higher O2 contents.

Maybe I need some clarification as to my terms and definitions in regards to the cleaning processes if what I am saying is not accurate.

My understanding on this is: You can take a reg that has been prepared for O2 service and use it with air or any other nitrox mixture, and it will retain it's O2 service rating IF it is used with O2 compatible air. It's the same principle as partial pressure blending; o2 is put into an o2 serviced cylinder and o2 compatible air is put in after it. The cylinder still has it's o2 service rating.

I could be wrong; I have been wrong before. steve
 
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