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Hmm, so my el cheapo 3rd hand BC had passed into the great beyond (ie will cost more to fix than I payed for it in the first place). I loved it dearly, but I think it's time to move on, so anyone got any ideas?

Here's an idea of what I want:

NOT weight integrated (I like my shot belt just fine)
plenty of attachment points (as for my old friend...D-rings, what are D-rings?)
not too bloody heavy! (I borrowed a friends Buddy stab when he trod on mine and broke it (sob) and was dumbstruck by how much it weighed)
possibly dive with doubles later

Not too certain on the whole BP/wings thing, but I'm always open to suggestion.

Cheers, now help me please!

Linda




 
Not to sure about the BP/wings thing?? well that's what you described as what you wanted. I have never tried the setup but based on this forum alone I would consider it-divers seem to love it. It is completely adjustable-very nice for the ladies who tend to have shorter torsos than the men folk and there aren't many women made BCs out there. Great freedom of movement and the whole thing relatively light. And you can add doubles if need to in the future. Don't be afraid of becomming a "tekkie".....or looking like you're trying to show off. Get what you need/want and what it sounds like you need/want is a BP/wings.
 
Repeating this one more time :)

I dive and highly recommend the Zeagle Ranger. And before I tell you why, let me give you some pointers in selecting a BC.

First, no matter what manufacturer or model you select, your primary goal is comfort! If your BC is too small or too big, you will always be fidgeting with it and not enjoy the dive. You want your BC to fit you in such a way that when you are in the water, it literally dissapears and you forget it's there.

Second, you need to decide if you want a weight integration or not. Wieght integration allows you to carry some or all of your weight in special pockets on the BC. And the designers have put some thought into the location of these pockets so that they assist in providing the optimum "trim" with regards to your center of gravity so you are in the correct swimming position.

Third, decide on back or vest inflation. [red]Vest inflation[/red] has the bladder coming around the front like a life jacket and will provide you a positive feedback as to the volume of air by squeezing your middle. [red]Back inflation[/red] has the bladder "wrapping" up around the tank. The benefits of this one is that it is more hydrodymanic (similar to aerodynamic), the bladders can be switched out when more lift is required, and you don't get squeezed like a toothpaste tube when fully inflated.

Fourth, and probably most important, decide on what level of diving you will be doing both now and 3-4 years in the future. The life expectancy of a well maintained BC is more than 10 years, so choosing a BC can be compared to choosing a motor vehicle. Are you going to always be driving on the highways with a car(recreational diving) or do "off-road" or "work" with a truck (technical diving). Tehnical diving includes doing anything in an overhead environment (such as entering ship wrecks, caverns, and caves) and requires a different configuration. So if you desire to do any tech diving, then the recreational BC's should be passed up.

Now that you have some good tips on selecting your BC, let me tell you why the Zeagle Ranger should be one that you really need to look at.


  • [red]Fit [/red]-- The Ranger can be easily customized to fit your body, whether your a round person or a stick person. All parts of the harness and bladder are interchangeable. So if you have wide shoulders, long torso, and a narrow waist, the correct components can be obtained to provide a custom fit. The bladder can also be changed to one that provides additional lift.

    [red]Rec or Tech?[/red] -- The Ranger is one of the best BC's to carry you through any recreational dive through to moderate technical diving. It can be setup for double tanks and has plenty of attachment points for gear.

    [red]Back Inflation & Weight Integration[/red] -- The Ranger is classified as a back inflation BC. As such, I have found it to require a bit less effort to swim than the vest BC's I used during my o/w training and overseas dive trip. And it's nice not to be squeezed like toothpast. (Regarding floating on surface and face planting. This is something that can be easily controlled and should not deter you from considering this type of BC. I have absolutely no problem with the Ranger doing this, and besides, you want to be under the water, not floating on top!). The weights fit easily into the side pockets and Zeagle even makes a nice weight pouch that slides right into the weight pockets.

    However, since you specified "not weight integrated" nothing says that you actually need to put weight in the pockets. I know of two divers with Rangers who still utilize their wight belts. But they love the other features that the Ranger brings to the table.

    [red]Overall weight[/red] of the Ranger is not that different from most of today's BCs. I estimate mine to be about 6 to 8 pounds on the surface.

The Ranger is a bit more than some other BC's, but it has been getting great reviews both in the magazines and on the street. Many of the contributors to this board dive the Ranger and love it as much as I do. So I encourage you to consider it.

One more good tip: If you can, try to borrow the BC's you are considering and do at least a pool dive with them. Trying them on in the store over street clothes won't tell you as much as getting them wet will.


And if you have anymore questions, feel free to ask!!!

 
TexasMike, Does the Ranger have a hardpack solution yet? That was the biggest grip I personally ever had with the unit. It was a soft pack with two straps, that just doesn't do the job of a BC with a hard-pack. I find that with soft packs and multiple dives in a day my back gets kinda sore.


 
If I had it to do all over again.....

I just bought a BC about 1 year ago -- Sea-quest pro QD jacket-style BC. I think I'd consider a BP/wings if I was byuing now.

I tried a Halcyon BP/wings set-up in a pool recently -- much better fit than a jacket. With a crotch strap it won't "ride up" and it really felt I was much less encumbered than with my jacket BC (I used both one right after another in the pool to compare) -- basically because there's no jacket -- just harness straps, with the bladder against your back.

One thing to consider here is how you dive -- what type of gear do you bring with you, etc. If you MUST have pockets, maybe you would prefer a jacket BC.

Good luck
 
Mario....I don't know, and that's a good question. I'm going to my LDS's happy hour tonight and I will ask them.

There is an accessory that is a padded lumbar support. Works like placing a pillow behind you when sitting on the couch. I have one and it does add to the comfort considerably without affecting bouyancy.

I did a quick browse on Zeagle's online catalog and they show a BC known as the Tech Pac that has a semi-rigid back plate. And the other features appear comparable to the Ranger.

Also, on my Ranger, I remember there being grommets that might allow adding a plate in there.
 

if you have any interest in pursuing "tech" diving (doubles)
you will not find a more stable platform than a backplate.

if you DO NOT have any interest, you will not find a more
stable platform than a backplate.

you do not need more than 4 d-rings (1 each shoulder, 1
each side waist) for attaching gear.

pockets can be installed on a dry suit OR wet suit and are
much easier to access than pockets on a BC.

 
I know how hard it is to find a BC that fits perfectly.

If you are into diving big time, I would recommend you to buy a Dive Rite trans-pack. It has many options for adjustment so you can have everything thightly snug around you. Yes, it has wings and back lift, but that gives you stability underwater like you have not known. If I were you, I would go for the travel wings (small, enough lift for one or two aluminum tanks) and if you decide to go teck later on, just buy the bigger wings. good luck
 
Travel wings can accommodate back mounted [red]Singles[/red] of up to 95 cubic feet.

Linda, Yes the Transpac II would be an exellent choice.Do a search, there are several older threads that talk about this BC.

Check out http://www.dive-rite.com/

Tavi
 
umm, at the moment I dive with steel 12 or 15l cylinders, so I'm not sure how the weight/bouyancy characteristics compare with aluminium (or aluminum :)), but I'm assuming the travel wings wouldn't be able to cope with twin steel 10's. (no-one I know in the UK uses Al cylinders, I think they have to be tested something ridiculous like every 6 months or so)

Anyway, you've given me some food for thought, cheers all.

Linda
 

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