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well I am new to the boards and to the diving world but Me and My wife would like to become divers for trips that We have planned. My first problem is this. What do I need gear wise to dive. We will only be diving in warm places like FL HI and on some crusies and We dont know what gear We need. the other problem is, Well I am a big guy I am 6'2 and pushing 365 trying to find a wetsuit or a BC in My size is really hard. So MY point is what do I have to have to dive safe and if diving in warm water do I need a wetsuit or a bc. whatever I do need does anyone know where I could find it in My sizes.

thank you all
Red
 
Welcome to SB Big Red! Get ready for a large response to your post! You'll need a wetsuit and BC even if diving in warm water. You won't need an environmentaly sealed regulator if only diving in warm water which will save a few $$$. There are many big divers out there and gear to fit anyone.
 
Red,

Initially, welcome to the wonderful sport of scuba diving!

Decisions on which gear to buy boils down to a few things:
1) Oceanic and Scubapro are low fo high end products and some feel are over priced
for money spent. I own both and have always been pleased. Cheap... no, but I have
always been pleased with products bought.
Zeagle and DiveRite are technical outfitters. Not the right choice for now. Even if
money is no object, stay away from until you have better knowledge. I am speaking
from personal experience here. Money was no object and I bought top of the line
equipment and looked "good", but sucked at diving. A little lesson learned...

2) A good website to visit is Rodale's www.scubadiving.com here you will find a good
mix of equipment. Everyone has their "preferred" so search web when you find a
line you find appealing.

3) Rent before you buy... a lot easier to get feel without purchasing. Go to different
dive shops and try on (then dive in pool or lake etc to get better feel)

4) Question for yourself... If you are big boy, then there are varying degrees of shape.
Are you physically fit and just a big boy or find it difficult to top a flight of stairs. I
am asking a retorical question here... Diving is a demanding sport and one should
know and be honest of their personal condition. To answer your question, yes you can find larger sizes but will pay for them. If you have the stair scenario, use scuba as a goal. Pick your equipment you want and buy when you hit a target. I am speaking freely here as my dad was a big man, but did not look overweight.

Good luck and have fun.
 
Do you plan to certify locally or on a WW vacation?

This question has a lot to do with what you need to buy before you even start as well as what you will need. Remember that everyones adaptaion is different and it does not always fit into a few quick days while on vacation. In general I'd say certify at home. At the very least do your class and pool work at home then take a referral to warm water for your check-out dives.

To get through your pool work you will need a mask, snorkel, booties and fins. Get them locally, they need to fir t right but be sure to bone up on the gear forums first so you know what you are looking at.

With the pool sessions under your belt now invest in a nice custom wetsuit. The exposure protection forum will lead you you names such as Aquaflite, Atlan and LiquidFit. The cost will only be slightly more than off the rack and it will fit you.

If your training shop gets you into a BC that fits well then you have an asnwer there. If not make the dive shop rounds looking for something to try. Most shops will let you in the pool with a referral slip in hand. I'd suggest renting but getting something suitable on a trip may be too much like rolling the dice in your case. Something in a Pack Plate & Wing may be a good idea though you may not care for a 1 piece harness. there are many hybrid options. Spend a fre evenings reading in the Buoyancy / Weight forum. You will need a good amount of lead, even in warm water. Don't mess with a belt, get a harness like a DUI weight & Trim II.

I would go ahead and rent regulators and instruments for the first trip and build the gear collection from there.

Be honest with the medical questionaire and consult your physician. Many folks of size are fine divers but with weights and all you will be looking at about 60-75 pounds of gear. It's pretty much weightless in the water but getting across the beach or back into the boat is not a trivial endeavor. This is especially true after a dive when you are returning from a weightless world.

Pete



Big_Red:
well I am new to the boards and to the diving world but Me and My wife would like to become divers for trips that We have planned. My first problem is this. What do I need gear wise to dive. We will only be diving in warm places like FL HI and on some crusies and We dont know what gear We need. the other problem is, Well I am a big guy I am 6'2 and pushing 365 trying to find a wetsuit or a BC in My size is really hard. So MY point is what do I have to have to dive safe and if diving in warm water do I need a wetsuit or a bc. whatever I do need does anyone know where I could find it in My sizes.

thank you all
Red
 
I recommend purchasing

Wetsuit - if tropical and you don't get chilled easily get a 3mm otherwise go with 5mm

Fins - here you must consider a large foot pocket and whether you plan to dive in colder water you should consider going with an open heel fin to allow you to wear booties, otherwise if you will only dive warm water you may want a full foot fin for comfort.

Mask - a good mask can make a big difference in the enjoyment of your dives, this is also another item you will want to try on. A trained scuba shop clerk can give you advice on how to try on masks (there is a little trick), to make certain you find one that will not leak due to a poor fit.

Booties - may not be needed (see comments about fins above)

Gloves - many tropic places do not allow you to dive with gloves, again if you plan any colder water diving these may be necessary and a good fit is always a plus to staying warm in colder water, or if you plan to take game.


Buoyancy Compensator - Ask ahead to shops you plan to dive to see if they have BCs which can accomodate your height and girth. If you can avoid a purchase here until you are more familiar with designs, styles, function etc to make an informed and experienced decision. However, being that you are a big guy and most certainly BCs are not a one-size-fits-all thing, so you may find no one can accomodate you without a special order, so this may be an item you will have to rely on research and a bit of shopping, trying things on. So it might not be something you want to leave to a last minute rental.

Honestly you can rent the rest because it's not a matter of fit, at least do this until you really know what it is you want to invest in. The depth gauge, timer, and pressure gauge (or computer which covers all 3), the regulator, scuba cylinder, and weights are all easily rented ... local shops here in So Cal rent these items for about 25 bucks a weekend (rent friday evening return before closing sunday). My experience in the caribbean is varied .. some shops gouge you badly, others were cheaper than home.

We also have shops and shows around here in So Cal that have pools to allow you to try gear before you buy, though again fittings are going to be an issue for you, these demo shows and demo gear are often standard large and medium sized items. It is likely you'll need to be measured and items special ordered, so be sure and give it plenty of time for delivery and even a possible return.
 
HI Big Red, I'm a big guy too. 6'1" 300lbs. It's often difficult to find gear that fits us larger people. For instance the the bigger names in wetsuit's have a size chart and the chest size doesn't even go beyond 48. Even in the biggest size they have! One day, I will get a custom suit, but for now I was able to make a 4XL Akona work for me, and you might too. Still a little tight across the chest but at $100, I'll live with it.

The fitness thing can be a big deal if your cardio isn't up. The class requires that you do a 200yd swim and a 10 minute tread water. Not too difficult for larger people, because we tend to float. So it's not a good gauge of fitness for me, don't know about you. Anyway, according to the physiology section of the class, being over weight increases your chances of getting bent, and if you aren't fit, you will be working harder, and breathing heavier, which increases those chances even more. So make sure and pay attention to the fitness aspect. I work out for 45 minutes in the morning 5 days a week to keep my cardio up.

The BC is probably going to be a problem. The 2X BC that I used for my intial class, and rental gear over the last year don't fit right at all. I never found one that did. Just like the wetsuits, they aren't made for bigger people. It's like they just upsized the smaller stuff because they had no one to work off of. When I finally bought gear, I bought a back plate and wing, which, if you hang out in these forums for any length of time, you'll read plenty about. You should probably just see if some shop has a jacket BC that will get you by first though. Then you can make an informed decision about it later. Once you find a BC that will work, then call to where you are going and see if they have one that will "do" for rent.

I hate wetsuits. If you're like me, you have plenty of room between your core and your skin and can comfortably dive in waters down to around 70 degrees for extended periods without getting cold. However, without exposure protection, you open yourself up to all kinds of fun stuff. Last year I was diving with no wetsuit in the keys, ended up getting jellyfish polyps stuck in my back. VERY irritating, and it lasts for a couple of weeks. From then on, no matter what the temp of the water, I wear the wetsuit.

Fins... Don't let the dive shop talk you into split fins. They will say it reduces effort, and they're right, it does. But your legs are used to carrying around all of that weight, so when your in the water and weightless, you can handle a good solid fin. XL Scuba pro jets are good except that the pocket isn't tall enough and will crease the top of your foot. Good fins though. Avanti Quattro by Mares in the XL size is a good fitting fin for a bigger foot. Even with a hard soled dive booty on. That's what I use unless I'm diving in current, then the jets come out to play.

For weights, again, the dive shop will likely have no idea what it takes to get you down. They will likely continue to insist that you only need 12 or 14 pounds. I need 30lbs of lead to get down in saltwater with a full 3mm suit on. You may need more. Weight belts aren't comfortable with this much weight on them. You'll have to offset some into integrated weight pockets on a BC, and probably find a couple of other innovative ways to hide weight on yourself :D That's one thing that led me to the back plate and wing, but like I said, that will probably come later for you.

Anyway, good luck, and definitely take the classes local, then do the dives as a referal in the tropical waters. You won't be sorry.

Jason
 
Thanks so much to all who have givin there input so far. I will for sure be taking the classes here in town. just so you all know a little more about Me, I am 23 and ever sence I was 16 have done emergency volunteer work. I have been apart of fire fighting, search and rescue certified in ground, cave, and water. I was a paramedic for 2 years and worked with a river rescue in Alton, IL that handled all types of emergency calls on a 50 mile strech of the Mississippi River. So needless to say I love the water always have and always will. Being a big guys I love the sound of warm water diving in FL and some exotic places, but the sound of a jellyfish stuck in My back I must say sucks! Another question I have, what should me and my wife look for in a place around here that we can train at? I am new and I dont want someone to take advantage of Us and try to rack us with a bunch of stuff we dont need or classes we dont need. All We want right now is to be able to go and open water dive when ever We want in warm water. After I have a good amount of dives under My belt I might take the knowlege I have of river rescue and step it up and become a rescue diver but I am not taking that step for at least a year or 2. I can honestly say untill I am 100% without a doubt sure I can do this and know what I am doing I will not take any risky steps.

Thanks all for the help in My new journey
 
Buy all the expensive crap from LDS and dive it for a year, then discover that it is not what you really want to dive in, sell it on eBay, then buy what you really want.

That seems to be what everyone, including me, does/did. No matter the advice they get.
 

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