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Windknot

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I'll start by saying that I'm not sure if this post should go here. It is semi-technical related...and as usual...I shall wander aimlessly with observations and concerns until I eventually get to my question. So apologies/mea culpa's in advance and please feel free to repost this wherever it will do us all the most good.

As I sit here at my desk...instead of in my patrol car where I should be...(parked under a street light reading the DIR Fundamentals book)....I have taken a few moments to reflect on my past weekend and my SSI AOW certification dives at a quarry in Ohio (beautiful state by the way...smooth roads and NO ONE SPEEDS!!!). My pondering has left me somewhat pensive.

I feel empty.... unfulfilled following the completion of my AOW dives. My fellow classmates were exuberant by the end of the weekend, slapping backs and giving high-fives all around. I on the other hand, left feeling like I had been cheated out of some un-named experience.

My certification dives were nothing more than the instructor briefing us on the surface as to what we were going to do, then we followed in buddy pairs (sometimes) like a bunch of little ducklings following their mother. My "DEEP WATER" certification dive consisted of swimming around the quarry and then dropping over the ledge just long enough to hit around 85 feet and then a gentle climb back up....again, while we were all in a staggered line following...there was no one-on-one checks from the instructor to see how we were doing at depth....hell we were only AT depth for less than 5 seconds and then were on our way back up.

The "NIGHT DIVING" certification dive was the same, minus the drop off over the edge, except that there were a large number of "extra" divers from our area who tagged along for a fun dive at the same time. The stagger line went a little thin and some of our group got separated.

The remainder of our dives all went similarly...I know that in some circles or situations, what I got was incredibly better than many others have gotten elsewhere.

I still have 2 more dives to go to get my "ADVANCED OPEN WATER" card, yet when I receive it, It will seem like an empty, forgotten promise never fulfilled.

DOES THAT SOUND OVERLY MELODRAMATIC??? Add in a couple of love scenes and it would make a great dime novel.

Another way of expressing how I felt...there was an advanced class of some kind meeting at the campsite next to where I was parked....it wasn't a DIR class, but it was definitely professional and well planned. They were having a post-dive debriefing and discussing the effects of narcosis on the guys and gals there. The instructor called out each person's name and told them how they behaved under water!!!! I found myself getting closer and closer to their group...just so I could hear what they were doing, 'cause it was a much better run program than I was in. (I think that Ber Rabbit was there, but didn’t want to interrupt the class to ask if that was her).

Well, now that I have the whining portion of my post taken care of, I guess I will start focusing closer on the question/direction I am looking to be put toward: My skills are not even close enough to get into the DIR/F class, and my AOW class has obviously not gotten me even close. Where should I go next?

I understand that there is a learning curve that I must follow, but when the initial training FAILS to provide you with the tools to succeed, where does one go next?

I just dropped $300 on a class that was essentially, read the book, watch the video, then follow the leader through the water!! If I were going to continue to blow money on SCUBA, I'd much prefer to do it on GEAR.

I may have even asked this question elsewhere in the past: Why is there not an entry-level DIR/F type class? Or a precursor class for those of us that are looking to go that direction?

ESSENTIALLY WHAT I AM LOKING FOR IS A "REAL" ADVANCED DIVING CLASS...that will get me truly ready for diving and give me the skills I need for the DIR/F class and beyond.

Any Suggestions? Other than to shorten up my posts?
 
Sean-

There are no classes offered at your LDS that have the meat you are looking for. I know! The best thing is to get into a group of good divers and learn to dive like they dive in the 60's.....by diving with good divers.

send me an email and we'll work on getting together at Lake Fenton some time soon. I'll show you what I am talking about.

Kevin

P.S. Ohio stinks-there are a bunch of slow cars, always in my way to driving to Gilboa:)
 
Isn't that the speed boat capital of the world?????

You've got a deal....and a ride for the next time I'm headed to Gilboa or parts therein.....I've got an "in" with the boys in blue. Wouldn't want you to be late.

Only a couple of concerns........

1. Isn't it a little....boring...crappy...inherently stressful, diving with "children of a lesser God?"

2. If I dive with you am I going to have to start selling toys to buy MORE gear???? LOL!!!! (did ya sell the Andy's Underwear yet?)


I'll be in touch.
 
Isn't that the speed boat capital of the world?????

It is!! That is the best part. It is an overhead environment dive, so no going to the surface. It is not an option. If it is really a concern, just dive early. Most boat owners are still too hung over to want to run their boats in the early morning.

1. Isn't it a little....boring...crappy...inherently stressful, diving with "children of a lesser God?"

That lake is all those things. Diving it with new people makes the dive more enjoyable.

2. If I dive with you am I going to have to start selling toys to buy MORE gear????

Well if you spend too much time around me you will need a gavin. So.....yes! You will end up spending every hard earned penny on dive gear.

get in touch and we'll have some fun. Maybe we will move a boat out at lake fenton or something. We'll be surprized what you can pick up with a 2000 pound carter pillow bag:)
 
Kevin has excellent advice. Classes will only take you so far and as you've figured out, not all classes are created equal! There's no big secret with most of this stuff, it's a matter of experience. The best way is to dive with those more experienced than you are and learn from them. That's how we all did it. And believe it or not...we enjoy diving with new divers who are inquisitive, ask questions and pay attention to the answers.

We have all felt your frustration!
 
The DIRF class is NOT an advanced technical class by any means. It is geared for divers like yourself that are looking for solid, well thought out training.

We've got the class going in July (12,13,14) here in Michigan. You need a backplate and wings, but if you don't have them, I may be able to make arrangements for you to borrow one.

I know it's another $275.00, but I can assure you it's the best money you will ever spend in diving. My buddy is an instructor (PADI), certified trimix, commercial diver. HE says its the best and most informative class he's ever taken in his life. That says something.

If you want to discuss it further, send me a message and I'll give you my phone number. I think you'll love this class.

Jack
 
That there is a definitive gap between the end of "recreational" training and the skills necessary to perform (and pass) at the DIR-F level?

Ergo my whining factor....I cant wait to take the DIR-F class...but I'm sure not going to drop another three bills for something that they are just going to fail me out of.

And an odd, upside to that scenario (if I had the money to burn) is that they CARE ENOUGH to kick out the underprepared.

As much as I love to joke, be the but of jokes, I don't want to be known as the guy that failed DIR-F.

And on a completely unrelated note....I'm on vacation then with my daughter and would be unable to attend.....

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.......

:tease: :crazyeyes
 
I liked my PADI night dive, except for the fact that the instructor gave the impression that a UK C4 /w 2 bulbs was equivalent to having a backup light *rollseyes*

But our deep dive's depth I exceeded on my first dive out of OW /w TexasMike. AND my dive with him was under tougher conditions, and was longer.

I've just stopped expecting teaching excellence from my LDS. They provide useful reading materials, and I've made several friends there.

I'll still probably take the Rescue Diver course (I have DAN O2 and MFA merit badges already) from the LDS, but after that it is going to be dive dive dive until a DIRF class comes around again...

Jeff
 
...is that PADI would publish more information about the skills for each dive. There has to be some flexibility for local conditions, but surely there are some core skills everyone is supposed to do on their Advanced dives. More info would make it easier to work out 1) which dives and specialty courses are worth doing, and 2) which instructors are short-changing people.

Zept
 
Originally posted by Windknot
As much as I love to joke, be the but of jokes, I don't want to be known as the guy that failed DIR-F.
Windknot...
No one *passes* a DIRF...
You don't get a card for successful completion...
The good, the bad and the ugly...
Everyone fails...
The whole point is to show you your areas of need...
To reveal the flaws that need to be corrected...
If you are a very experienced technical diver you will really get your ego handed to you in a paper bag...
Several have recently scaled back or eliminated their tech. diving after taking the DIRF...
You will come away with much to work on...
And you will be better for it...
Get some experience just diving this summer and then take the first DIRF that comes your way this fall...
And no more classes until you do!
 

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