G7 Powershot - u/w setting or manual white balance?

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shelski

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Hi, I have bought a secondhand Canon g7 with u/w housing. I went to a forum at the dive show and was told that the best results can be gained by using manual white balance. However, it does have an underwater setting on the camera. Will using this give the same results and put the red back in? I'm going on a diving holiday to the Maldives in March so any hints and tips would be appreciated.
 
Hi, I also have a g7. I am very new to UW photography, but I would like to make one suggestion to you that may prove helpful. You can easily "unlock" the raw capability of the G7 with free CHDK firmare. I have been experimenting with CHDK a lot and have found that it works very well. If you shoot raw images, you don't need to worry about WB camera settings, as WB can be adjusted during software processing. Another advantage of raw is that the Canon JPEG engine causes all images to come out with more red, and therefore things that should be white will appear off-white to varying degrees. This color shift is meant to make people's complexion less pasty. It was really obvious to me when I compared g7 JPEG images to raw images, and I was really glad that I could shoot raw to get a more true looking image. The other advantage of raw worth noting is the fact that it is much easier to compensate for over/under exposure in processing raw images. The CHDK firmware also enhances the functionality of the g7 in many other ways that I have found very useful. If you are interested, check out the following posting: http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/ca...e-added-functionality-some-canon-cameras.html. The main CHDK site is here: CHDK - CHDK Wiki.
 
Thanks for the info. So what setting do you have your camera on then? Auto? underwater? I appreciate I can have a play with the images afterwards but just looking for the best general setting for a dive. Thanks, Shelly
 
Thanks for the info. So what setting do you have your camera on then? Auto? underwater? I appreciate I can have a play with the images afterwards but just looking for the best general setting for a dive. Thanks, Shelly

Wow, that is a broad question! It really depends on a lot of things. Unfortunately, there really is not a "best" general setting that will work well for every situation. I would suggest that it may be more important to learn how to set up a good UW shot at first, then worry about settings.

For example, get as close as possible to your subject and use a flash or strobe (otherwise everything turns out blue and green). Never shoot down at a subject, always upward or head-on. Also, try to get the sun in your backgrounds if possible to provide ambient light. Your camera will often have trouble focusing on subjects without a focus light, and your subjects usually move. So for macro and close-up shooting, depress the shutter half-way to lock focus, reframe/move your camera until your subject is in focus, then depress the shutter fully. There is a lot of information out there about techniques, so read-up before your trip.

As for your settings, the easiest way to go would be using the underwater scene mode (this will help to correct the color), with the flash either forced on or off, depending on if there is a subject that is close enough to benefit from the flash or not (less than 1 m away). Also, if your subject is less than 50 cm from you, put the camera in macro mode. The WB setting afforded by the underwater scene mode will not be perfect for all depths, but it is better than nothing. In general auto WB may also be fine for macro and close-up where most of the light is from your flash. White balance is more important when your frame utilizes ambient light/includes open water. Some people use the cloudy white balance setting when using P, M, Tv, or Av modes. My understanding is that manual WB can produce great results, but you should adjust WB as your depth changes, requiring continual recalibration and carrying something white with you for reference. Many people will use Av or Tv modes, which can be saved as preset modes to C1 or C2. For example, C2 could be saved as Av f8, auto or cloudy WB, with forced flash, for macro and close-up; and C1 could be Tv 1/125, auto or cloudy WB, with forced flash, for moving subjects to prevent blurring.

Cheers!
 
Hi, as per your info, we have downloaded the CHDK software onto a flashcard and have put it into the camera. How do we download the info? Cant finding anything in settings or the manual. It's the G7 I've got. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers!
 
Hi, glad to hear you intend to try out the CHDK firmware. The two following links should get you started. I would suggest first following the directions for loading the firmware, then enable automatic loading at startup (directions for both of these procedures can be found in FAQ). The second link will help you use the firmware once it is loaded. I would also suggest that you consider buying a 1 or 2 gig SD card to accomodate the larger raw files (don't get a 4 gig card because they don't work with CHDK yet). Take advantage of the wiki CHDK site, it is full of helpful tips and information. Also, there is some specific information about processing raw files for G7 users that can be found on the FAQ page. I hope this helps! Good luck!

FAQ - CHDK Wiki
CHDK firmware usage - CHDK Wiki
 
Also, Aperture (if you use a Mac) works well for color correcting UW images, regardless of which G7 setting you use. It doesn't require RAW output for good results. It's also easy to correct for over/under exposure, foreground/background light balance etc.
 

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