G11 WP-DC34 Housing with Inon Mount Base or any other recommended mount base?

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Hi all!

In the midst of putting together a lense system for the WP-DC34. I am a a noob at this and was looking at INON's website, however, I couldn't derive from the system table if the WP-DC34 is compatible with the M67/AD/28AD Mount Base - it's not listed.

I am also uncertain to the difference in these mount bases i.e. what are the pros and cons, things to look out for? :confused:

Would really appreciate any advise on this. Thank you and best fishes!
 
There is no Inon system base mount for the G11 and the DC34, essentially the camera is not compatible with Inon system lenses. That is why nothing is listed. There are numerous reasons for this. The S90 with the DC-35 does have an Inon system mount available.

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Nemrod,

I suppose one of the reasons why the Canon G12 is not compatible to the Inon lens systems, is the fact that it has a 26 mm lens, while for example the Inon 165 fisheye lens is designed for 35 mm cameras. What are the other reasons, because I really would like to use the G12 together with the Inon lenses. I want to use the Inon UWL 100 and Inon dome with the Canon WP DC 34. Will it make a difference if I mount the 35mm lens of the Canon G9 on the G12. It is possible via a Canon adapter ring. What are the other reasons why they are not compatible and how serious are they? Do you think my suggestion will work? May be Inon will manfacture fish eye- and other wide angle lenses which is adaptable to 26mm cameras in the near future!

Thank you

Hermie
 
Nemrod,

I suppose one of the reasons why the Canon G12 is not compatible to the Inon lens systems, is the fact that it has a 26 mm lens, while for example the Inon 165 fisheye lens is designed for 35 mm cameras. What are the other reasons, because I really would like to use the G12 together with the Inon lenses. I want to use the Inon UWL 100 and Inon dome with the Canon WP DC 34. Will it make a difference if I mount the 35mm lens of the Canon G9 on the G12. It is possible via a Canon adapter ring. What are the other reasons why they are not compatible and how serious are they? Do you think my suggestion will work? May be Inon will manfacture fish eye- and other wide angle lenses which is adaptable to 26mm cameras in the near future!

Thank you

Hermie

First it 28mm just as is the S series, the reason is the long zoom/ratio lens and resulting long port.

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The G11 with DC35 housing is difficult to match to a wide angle lens. The reason is that at the wider angles, the G11 lens is about 1/3 of its travel back from the port glass, so the port glass has to be large. Making a wide angle or fisheye lens with a large rear glass results in a lens that is big, heavy and expensive. Most of the available wide or fisheye lenses aren't big enough -- they have rear glass that is smaller than 52mm, but the port window is much bigger, so the camera lens vignettes. It is possible to physically mount such a lens, but it would vignette at the wide setting, so you would have to back off the zoom to say a 70mm eq setting. When you do that, you end up with about the same field of view that you started with, nothing gained. That's probably why Inon did not make a mount base for the DC34.

There are two easy options that modestly improve the wide angle capability of the setup: Fantasea Bigeye lens (airdome), and similar Dyron Wide Angle lens (airdome). See:

Fantasea BigEye Lens G10/11/12 s90/95 - Point & Shoot Lenses & Filters - Optical Ocean Sales Underwater Photo - 800-359-1295!

Dyron dome for Canon housing for G10/G11/G12 | Bluewater Photo & Video

If you really want to use the G11 for super wide angle, you need a different housing with special port just for wide angle. Be prepared to spend a lot more (around $1800), and you may want to move up to the G12 because the G11 housings are no longer available. There are several makers of these much more expensive housings and ports. Fix, RecSea/Seatoool, and 10Bar make these.
10Bar Canon G11 or G12 Housing - 10Bar Underwater Housings - Optical Ocean Sales Underwater Photo - 800-359-1295!
Fix G12 Housing for Canon G12 - Fisheye Fix Housings & Accessories - Optical Ocean Sales Underwater Photo - 800-359-1295!


At the end of the day, if wide angle is your preference, the Canon S95 is a better candidate. The reason is simple: its lens is smaller and closer to the port at widest setting. That makes it easier to match with an available wide or fisheye lens.
 
Thank you for the excellent explanation and options suggested! I shall get one of the two domes. I suppose they are very much the same quality!
 
I was on my Droid earlier and it is hard for me to type on that thing, so to continue my first point. The larger diameter of the G series lens coupled with the long zoom ratio forces the port to be very long. The Inon lenses and all wet lenses/accessory lenses are designed for an expected operating distance between the camera lens and the rear of the accessory lens. When that expected design distance is exceeded several things happen and the one we complain about most is vignetting but also edge distortion. This can also be made worse by a lens that is very large in diameter compared to the rear element lens diameter of the accessory lens (this is concern with the G series).

I have read that Inon built their lenses with an expectation of a 3X zoom ratio, with small cameras like the tiny little S90/95 which has barely a 4X zoom ratio and a small lens diameter they work fine because the (zoom) rack distance is very small despite the slightly longer than optimal zoom ratio. This even despite having to zoom to 35mm on some accessory lenses, which brings up a second point, that being that most of these lenses are designed for a native camera lens of 35mm with the exception of the Inon WAL100-28AD and the Fisheye UWL-04 which are designed for native 28mm camera lenses.

So now at point three, if I understood you asked if you could use the G9 lens on the G11, no, you can not remove the G11 lens and install a G9 lens and there are no adapters to do so. While on the subject, didn't the zoom ratio on the G series grow over the years as did the camera?

If you want to use a wide angle lens with the G11 you need to purchase the Patima housing which has a short port option and a zoom lock to use the available Zen wide angle lens. Or you can purchase the FIX G11 housing if still available and use their dry port wide angle lens system.

Your other choice is to get the camera that currently works best with all accessory lenses via a wide selection of adapters which was the FIX90 and currently sold as the Recsea95 housing. The G series is just not a good choice for wide angle shooting, the S series is and the new Oly ZX-1 might also be a good choice.

I have done pretty extensive testing with multiple accessory lenses over the last few years on multiple cameras and housings, what I say is not just a guess even if sometimes I extrapolate from one to another, it is based on my testing and similarities and dissimilarities I have noted. I do not have any information on the Dyron products, their operation or compatibility but the "bubble" lens choice, IMO, I do not like the concept or care for the results gotten with the "bubble" lens concept and I would not waste my money on one.

If wide angle is really what you want, you have the wrong camera. The G series is better at macro than the S series, the S series is better at wide angle. This due to the physical design of the cameras and as well the housings that are provided for them and the design of the lenses available on the market.

There is a new lens, the Inon LD series lens. It has a new bayonet mount design, a larger rear lens element for use with cameras with larger lenses. It still needs a short zoom ratio as optimal. It is designed also for camera lens of 28mm (35mm equivalent). I do not know if this lens might work with a G series camera as I have only seen photos of it, but, it looks like a possibility.

No, at this time, Inon does not make a kit adapter for any of their products for the G series camera or OEM housing.

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