Future of liveaboard diving in the Bay Islands?

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Hintermann

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With the withdrawal of the Utila Aggressor last year, there are at present no liveaboard operators doing the Utila/Roatan dive sites. I have jeard that there are private charters being run from the Laguna Beach resort in Utila and that they may soon start open 'public' cruises.

Anyone have more information about this or any other potential liveaboard trip in the Bay Islands?
 
Did something happen to the M/V Caribbean Pearl II? That was the former Utila Aggressor? They seem to be accepting bookings according to their website.....
 
I was not aware that the Caribbean Pearl II was the former Utila Aggressor. That might explain a few things.

I found the main Dive Encounters website difficult to navigate and got no replies to my e-mails. But I see now that the boat has its own contact details which I will follow.

Does it operate from the Laguna Resort? If so, it might be that they are not yet taking individual bookings.
 
With the state of the world economy, land based options are keeping their weekly rates quite low, some are just trading dollars. The Bay Islands ops have this in their DNA, as they have had to starve themselves to offset the robbery practiced by the airlines since TACA showed up.

Businessmen like predictable fixed costs. Fuel oil is not one of those things, and for a liveaboard, this is huge.

A liveaboard has utility in an area otherwise unserved by viable dive ops.

If it operates around land based dive ops (which are going to be a comparative bargain) it has little chance of survival. You don't sell a Bay Island liveaboard by anchoring off the common dive sites of Roatan. I believe it hep to kill two.

There's tremendous diversity in the geography of Bay Islands dive sites, so that might be a draw.... If you kept running the engine. Unless you move a liveaboard and burn fuel- why bother?

There are very few geographic options to establish good moorings in the Bay Islands. The largest area would be the South side of Roatan, and to my interests, that would be ideal, but it's shallow and has u/w terrain shape that can be repetitive. Establishing moorings on North side sites would be deep and cost prohibitive... No captain would likely spend the night with that exposure.

The original BI liveaboards made quite a name for themselves by destroying moorings designed for day boats. BIA could often be seen tied to the top of Mary's Place, hogging it for two days. Finally they installed one to suit their tonnage. It takes a huge investment.

Consider the archipelago of the Islas de la Bahia, from a monohull Captain's perspective. Comfortable speed of 12mph at favorable tack so as to not hurt anyone. This is not a pleasant happy place to find glassy waters when considering transit from Guanaja, Barbareta Cays, to Cayos Cochinos, over to the Sea Mount, Cordelia Banks. Combine the need to depart from the cheapest locale (not from the dock near Roatan's airport), getting people to that dock (over in Utila), possibly hanging nearby for a day waiting for luggage to arrive?

Add to that the "H" factor. You are operating under the heavy government authority with all of the attached social pressures. This, I can tell you for a fact, kept at least one real-deal liveaboard operator out of the Bay Islands.

If you know somebody that really wants to do his, tell him to look elsewhere.

... I have jeard that there are private charters being run from the Laguna Beach resort in Utila and that they may soon start open 'public' cruises.

Those seemingly different activities are identical. The only distinction you might infer is that in #2 they would be advertising, and in version #1 they have enough business already that they're all set.

Do not confuse base of operations with ownership. I love the LBR, and I would consider buying their LAB trip from them.

Any number of people with Cabin Cruisers have gotten paperwork and taken folks out diving. The last one in the BI was the Tabutne/Divers at Play. Most of them work out (not) along those lines.

You need unimaginable working capital. For the buyer of dive travel, liveaboards present the major pig in the poke of our industry. When you're on the water, things can be pretty fluid. ;)
 
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The Aggressor was owned by the same person as Laguna Beach. The ship docks in town. The name has been removed but the new name has not been added yet. The ship has not moved from dock since September. I suspect it has something to do with a non compete clause when it dropped the Aggressor name. How long it remains at dock is unknown to me. There is an office setup to cater to the newly named Caribbean Pearl but it appears to be un-manned at this point.

I'll echo the comments above. Not sure why anyone would do a live aboard in Utila/Roatan when the ship visits all the same dive sites as the land based operations for a much higher price. in Utila you can rent oceanfront homes which are amazingly beautiful for low costs, then chose a dive operator to do your dives.
 
i always used to wonder if the guests aboard the aggressor thought it was odd to be at anchor for the night 100' off of the beach within sight of my house and then the next night half a mile west next to the cays, still in sight of my house.
 
My first intro to the aggressor was in Roatan. I was staying at Fantasy Island and the Aggressor was diving everywhere our boat was going. I thought it was odd someone would spend money and time to get to Utila, only to come right back to Roatan. I mean, at least go to the East end of Roatan, right? Then I moved to Utila and its the same thing. Isn't the purpose of live aboards the opportunity to dive where land based operations cannot go?

For the record I've been diving off the Aggressor in the past (working DM). It is a great ship, no doubt, but given what I know about Utila diving/lodging it leaves me wondering why anyone would bother.
 
Not sure why anyone would do a live aboard in Utila/Roatan when the ship visits all the same dive sites as the land based operations for a much higher price.

I'll answer that from my own perspective and so this is not meant to be a general comment. I have been on 14 liveaboard cruises and several resort based trips and love the former and do not like the latter. I have always known that liveaboards are more expensive than their corresponding land based operators but I see it as paying for quality. I like the easy atmosphere, camaraderie and the lack of hassle on board a liveaboard cruise. No matter how well a land based operation is set-up, there is too much hassle starting the day and between dives. On a liveabaord, everything is where you know it will be and all you have to do is listen to the briefing, plan the dive, suit-up and go. I certainly would not mind paying that bit extra for the liveaboard, but I accept the viewpoint of those who see it otherwise.

It is something like the willingness to pay more for a T-bone at your favourite restaurant while it is available at half the price in the Cafe 2 blocks away.

Getting back to the Bay Islands liveaboard, I made a few enquiries following the above posts and am more confused than before. The Aggressor office told me that the former Ultila Aggressor was owned by the boss of Laguna Beach Resort. When I rang Laguna, they admitted to that effect but said that they were only doing full-boat private charters at present. They also said that they expected to start 'open' trips soon and took my e-mail addess as someone who expressed an interest.

But following Wookie's post, I phoned the contact number for Caribbean Pearl II and got through after several attempts. The woman who answered told me that CPII was the former Utila Aggressor but denied that it had anything to do with Laguna Resort. Furthermore, she said that they were taking individual bookings already but only after 12 places had been filled by groups - at least it sounded like what she was saying.

So are we taking about the same boat or two different ones? Does the owner of Laguna Resort also own the Caribbean Pearl?
 
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Same boat.

My understanding (which may not be entirely correct) is after Utila Dive Ventures (the umbrella corporation that is Laguna Beach and WAS Utila Aggressor (now defunct) and WAS Utila Watersports (now defunct) was forced to release ownership of the Aggressor after they dropped the Aggressor. Part of the non-compete clause. So technically Troy Bodden cannot be owner of the ship any longer. However, my understanding is he found investors to transfer the title to their name while he will continue to operate it.

Your confusion is understood. Generally his employees are equally confused (not their fault) thus the different answers you have received.

I can assure you the Aggressor (Caribbean Pearl, whatever) has not left the dock since September 27.
 
Did something happen to the M/V Caribbean Pearl II? That was the former Utila Aggressor? They seem to be accepting bookings according to their website.....

i thought the Utila Aggressor was the turks & caicos aggressor 1 and now the carib dancer

---------- Post added April 17th, 2013 at 09:54 AM ----------

ooops you guys are talking about the New Utila Aggressor that troy had after he gave the old utila Aggressor back to aggressor fleet (or taken back)
 

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