Force Fin Comparison

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TN Traveler

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Force Fin Comparison Test

First a little background on how this came about. My wife has always used split fins – she has a pair of Apollo Bio-fins and a pair of TUSA Expert Zoom full foot fins. Before our trip to the BVI’s, I got her a pair of Foil Force Fins, thinking that she could use them with comfort insteps without boots and without the inserts with her boots. So after using them for the trip she decided she did not like them, even after making the kick modifications I suggested. She said they were fine with a flutter kick, in fact, she likes the effortlessness of them, but she could not frog kick with them and felt they did not have enough acceleration.

Well, we got home and since we live on the lake and I am on an exercise routine to lose weight, I prefer to swim in the afternoons to get my exercise. Well, I decided to try her Foils, just to see if I agreed with her assessment. Well, it became apparent that using them while using a foam noodle for support would not work, since they continually were breaking the surface. So, I decided to put on my soft backplate and 18# wing (with just a touch of air in it), with a mask and snorkel, so I could keep my kick fully submerged. At first I used her fins while barefoot. I found that they did take some getting used to, they take a different kick amplitude and rate for maximum performance. There is a definite “sweet spot” to these fins where you get maximum benefit of this design. They definitely will not frog kick and getting them started is slow and if you kick too hard or too fast there is a performance drop-off.

So now my engineering/scientific background was aroused. I have a measured course that I swim which is approximately 65 yards, so I can time my swims. I also have a pair of TUSA Expert Zooms (full foot - from when I did a lot of snorkeling), a pair of Apollo Bio-fins, a pair of the Foil FFs in XXL and a pair of “Hockey” FFs. I decided to eliminate any testing of the Apollo’s just because of time limitations (plus I’m not using them and hope to sell them). Over a 8 week period, I tested the 4 pairs of fins several times each, just to be sure my observations were consistent. I always did one lap with my bare feet first and then did a lap with the fins. On weekends, I would do this two times a day, several hours apart, using different fins. As a point of reference, it takes me about 4 min 15 seconds to make a round trip on the course (130 yards).

My observations:

Size L Foil FF’s:
These fins cut my time down to 3 min. There is a “sweet” spot to these fins – kick harder or faster and there is no benefit. The times were consistent. The kick rate was about 1/4th of what I used for bare feet.

Size XXL Foil FF’s:
These fins had a little more acceleration and the times were consistently about 10-15 seconds faster than with the size L. I attribute that to the fact that they are almost 2” longer and about ¾” wider. Kick rate was the same as for the size L and again there is a definite “sweet” spot.
 
Hockey FF’s (XXL):
Instant acceleration!!! You can kick these HARD and they keep going – however, you can kick too fast and performance drops off. I could get my times down to under 2 min, but could really feel it in my upper legs. If you slow them down a little, they gave a time of about 2 min 20 sec, without feeling them too much and if you slowed them down to where they were comfortable, time went up to just above 3 min. These do a great frog kick, back kick, or any other kick you want to do. I compared these to doing a barefoot frog kick and times decreased by 1/3, with a much slower stroke and no strain on the leg.

TUSA Expert Zooms:
There are definitely quicker than the Foil FF’s. They will perform a reasonable frog kick. Time wise they were similar to the Hockey FF’s (when kicked at a comfortable rate) – about 2 min, 20 sec. Kick rate was higher than with the Foil FF’s but there was definitely a point where I could over power these either by kicking too hard or too fast.

After this testing I decided to do one more set of tests, to see how they performed over a longer swim of about 400 yards. This one I did not try without fins (I did not want to be out there all day and deal with the cramps :wink:).

Foil FF’s:
Using these fins was like being the “Energizer Bunny” – you just keep going and going and going …. Times with both the L’s and XXL’s were about 10 min. You just found the proper rhythm and kept going – no fuss, no strain, no pain.

Hockey FF’s:
Over this distance they were slower than the Foil FF’s by over a minute. They got to feeling heavy and I had to slow down because of the strain they put on my legs. No sign of cramping but definitely fatiguing.

TUSA Expert Zooms:
These felt fine for about the first 200 yards but then they started to cause foot and lower leg cramps. Had to slow down to the point that they were slower than the Hockey FF’s and on a couple of occasions I had to stop and stretch or massage out a cramp.

My conclusions:

For normal diving I’ll stick with the Hockey FF’s mainly because of their maneuverability – I take pictures and videos and they are superior for positioning plus if I need a short burst of speed to get to something, they are great. I think that Bob is now making these in a softer compound that should help with the longer swims with minimum effect on the acceleration, but you need to ask him about that.

If I had a long distance to swim, then I would go with the Foil FF’s – they are strictly for flutter kicking, but they are almost effortless to use.
 
TN Traveler,
Thanks for the great feedback and congratulations on your quest to lose weight and get in shape. It sure sounds like you are getting in a lot of water time! Way to good! Sharing your time and observations with the guests and members of the SCUBABOARD is much appreciated.
 
TN, Thanks for your thoughts. You now understand the Foil Force design. The U.S. Marines asked for this straight line fin and I designed it for their special operation. Your in line for a softer and lighter model of the Hockey fin, which will change your day......dive. Thanks, Bob
 
Bob

My wife says that if I get another pair of fins they better be YELLOW!

One thing she liked about my Bio-Fins was they were yellow and she could easily spot me.
She just had me put yellow webbing on my BPW for that reason - and when I dive my double hose, it can only have the yellow hoses. :wink:

And mind you - she does not wear/like/dress me in yellow - but for diving, it is her color of choice for me. :D This is all a little strange to me since we rarely get more than 20 ft apart underwater - her only comment is that if we ever get separated, there are too many divers in all black and she wants to be sure she knows where I am (I have no problem finding her - she is in pink and purple and silver).
 
Tn, Yellow it is. I started making neon Yellow Force Fins back in the late 70's. Save a few life's over the years due to the high visibility.
 
:bounce3::bounce3::bounce3::bounce3: I can't wait. Feeling like a kid waiting for the Ice Cream Truck (those of us that are old enough to remember them know what I mean :D )
 
Since I was the one that finally convinced Bob to make the Hockey fin for me, it was built, well for me. There were a lot of phone calls and testing of prototypes to figure things about. The fin was built for pure acceleration, to get from the wall of the pool to the mid point faster than anyone and they deliver. I was regularly covering 25 yards in under 10 seconds (no dive gear) in the final version of the fin and I could do it back to back many times with only a couple of breaths between. For general diving I think that you hit the nail squarely. But the massive stiffness of the fin really plays to very strong swimmers and much softer versions are probably going to be better for you.
 
I don't think I want/need them much softer - I easily overkick both the Foil Force and Standard Force Fins and I can overkick the Pro Force Fins. I could on hard acceleration even overkick my Tan Delta Excellerating Force Fins. I think something just a little stiffer than the Tan Delta Excellerating Force Fins would be perfect (at least for me).

Actually, my existing Hockey Fins are very usable - only an annoyance on long swims - and I don't do that very often. Since most of my diving involves taking photos and now videos - I still prefer them because of their control to any other fin I have ever used. Plus I love the look on the face of these 20-something dive masters when this 64 year old leaves them in the dust on a sprint back to the mooring line. :wink:

I'm just seeking perfection. :D
 
meeiser42, well in the middle of this post and the wireless went so..both your hockey models are being made right now. Size large. Finally they were put into production so we can all get what we want.
 
TN, Thanks for your thoughts. You now understand the Foil Force design. The U.S. Marines asked for this straight line fin and I designed it for their special operation. Your in line for a softer and lighter model of the Hockey fin, which will change your day......dive. Thanks, Bob

Hi Bob, can I place an order for the Hockey Force Fins in Neon Yellow (not sure which size, but my foot size is EUR 41 and my booties add 1 size up).

Shipping will be to my friend's address in Boston.

Please let me know as I'm really keen to get a pair.

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