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Does it make a difference between having the hoses coming from the bottom or flipping the first stage and having them come out the top? I have an Atomic Z2X and when I have the first stage and hoses going downward, the hoses come in contact with the tank and make for a tough time connecting the first stage to the tank. So my initial thought was to take the first stage and flip it upside down and make it less low profile is the only way I can think of putting it. My main concern is it coming in contact with my head but I haven't made a dive with it yet so I can't tell. If anyone understands what I am talking about, please give me your $.02


Thanks
 
Hi, I have just bought the Atomic T2X and that has come with the second stage connected to the top (pointing straight up) low pressure port on the first stage.

If yours is the same then this should be configured to point upwards, not towards the tank. If it causes you a problem with the hose pointing upwards then you could move it onto one of the low pressure ports on the side of the first stage, and move the blanking plug to the top port.

I think Atomic supply them with the primary second stage connected on the top port as this theoretically gives the best through flow in the first stage and best breathing. Regards - P
 
woah, ok, let's get a few things straightened out here. Those with the hoses running out of the "top" port is actually the bottom port. Most often you see those ports used in doubles where the primary hose runs straight down the side and up under the shoulders, or the octopus runs across the back. Running it straight up is not the way to do that. At the depths you guys are diving you won't notice any breathing difference, and hell, I don't think anyone can actually tel the difference in the ports, it just makes routing easier. SOMETIMES! you'll see the older apeks DST regs which don't have that port on the end, turned upsidedown, which makes sense because the SPG is lower than the inflator hose anyway, and with most recreational divers who have their tanks between their knees, it gives them a few extra inches to try to reach the regulator hoses if they need to. This is not needed if you have proper tank positioning *can reach the valve behind your head without hiking the tank up too much*. With this tank positioning you might not be able to crane your neck so far behind your head, but it's a lot safer than not being able to reach the valve.
Will post pics of this later tonight or tomorrow morning
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There is a pic of one of the turret type first stages routed upsidedown. you can see that nothing is coming out of the top port. this is acceptable. Reason for that being upsidedown is that reg is usually used for sidemount so the primary, SPG, and lp hose were already like that. You can also see how high the tank is, which is where the valve should be. When you pick the shoulder straps up, the peak of the straps should be about where the top of the crown is.
If you want to use the top port, that's fine, but I would recommend using it for an octopus if you're not using a suicide strap. If you are not, then I'd actually recommend not using that bottom port at all.

In the mean time here's what I do when I'm diving with a 5 port turret first stage with single tanks.
Have that top port pointing down with the primary regulator on a 40 inch ish hose. This has a 90* adapter on the end of it and comes up underneath my shoulder. My octopus is on a short 22 ish inch hose which is on the turret and heads out to a suicide strap or "regulator necklace" as I guess they're being called now.
http://www.gue.com/files/page_images/equipment/Config/hosekit_single_eclipse01.jpg
You can sort of see it in that picture. I don't use a long hose like that, but you can see how the first stage is cocked to the side and how the octopus comes up to a suicide strap. LPI hose comes out per normal and so does the SPG. The first stage they're using is a scubapro MK25, so is the same turret first stage concept that you have.
 
Thank you for the responses. By top/bottom I was not referring to the port on the bottom but rather the "bottom" being the LP and the "top" being the HP. The way I have it set up now is much like that picture (from Facebook) with the LPs above the HPs. I'm only worried about it catching on things or me hitting my head on it. I will try and post some pictures up in the morning of the two possible scenarios, but I don't own a tank so the issue won't be fully addressed, but should allow for some more pointers.


Thanks Again
 
honestly, the switching won't be so much a bother because you can't crane your neck back far enough to hit the end of the first stage. It may be closer to hitting it in one direction or the other, but the traditional way you usually see the recreational setups is like in the picture, and the tech divers will flip it. Not owning a tank isn't a big deal because regardless of if you're diving with an AL63 or HP80 *stupidly short tanks* or a HP120 *stupidly long tanks* the first stage should be at the same position behind your head. If you're taking pictures it will be fairly obvious which side is up because the SPG will indicate your left shoulder. A lot of this depends on your decision on regulator routing. I've already indicated my preference, but depending on yours will depend on the type of advice you'll get
 
Hi, I have an Atomic Z1 that I have been diving for the past 5 years. Because I dislocated my right shoulder and have difficulty reaching behind my head to retrieve the primary regulator hose for demonstrations, I have the LP section up. My son and wife both dive Z1's and B2's with the LP down. The down position does seem to protect the first stage somewhat (it is lower down on the tank in this position), but I have never had any troubles with mine.

Be sure to adjust the height of the tank when you attach it to your BC to keep the first stage from hitting the back of your head.

Have great dives!
 
I do not own Atomic Regs but my first advise would be to read from start to finish the manual of the manufacturer. From there you will glean valuable information including how it should be installed on a tank. I own Sherwood, Zeagle and HOG regs and the manuals of most of them clearly state what end should be facing up due to the way they were designed and proper functionning.
 
Here are my two options...



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This has the LP hoses on the bottom coming over my right shoulder as it should. I would prefer to have it this way but it appears when I put it this way, the hose attached to my octo is being bent awkwardly by the tank and Im worried about damage to it over the long run. My dive shop told me I should ditch the octo and go with something like an AIR2 or SS1 and this would solve everything but obviously that is more expensive than flipping the first stage.

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This has the LP hoses on the top coming over my right should as well.



I read through the manual and it says nothing about which way the first stage should face.

Again thanks for the responses and I am just making sure it's gonna breath the same upside down as right side up and from the responses so far it appears that it will.

Thanks!
 
your shop is trying to sell you stuff. Ok, so I didn't realize that that was a non swivel connection.
if it doesn't swivel, it should have some ports on the front, so you can just move those hoses forward one slot.

So there's a picture of what I recommend doing. You can see the primary hose coming down with the first stage cocked to the side. This allows two things. The primary not to be bent by the tank. That is taken on an 8 inch diameter tank, so it would be cocked less for a 7 inch. It also allows less bending of the LP hose when it comes in. The octopus is on a suicide strap and comes up underneath your chin. Primary has a 90* adapter on it
http://www.piranhadivemfg.com/item/90-Degree-Elbow--524
Same adapter I use, and has survived over 500 dives with me, so not a bad $12 investment. This makes the whole thing much less cluttered for you and much easier to find the primary in a lost regulator situation. That is on a swivel turret and isn't pressurized so everything would be a little different if pressurized, but you can see the general idea. The hose length of the octo is also too long, but I didn't feel like finding my singles hoses...
 

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