End this Sub-Forum

[Cruiser24]

Ferris213,
Your post with the benefits you garnished was the intent of my original post. Alot of the threads were degenerating into derogatory comments about the people and organizations involved in the incident. My intent of the post was to get people to exercise caution in their posts and to keep the A&I area constructive to the benefit you spoke of.

the intent of your "post was was to get people to exercise caution in their posts and to keep the A&I area constructive." really?? :shocked2:

 

[DevonDiver]

My intent of the post was to get people to exercise caution in their posts and to keep the A&I area constructive to the benefit you spoke of.

How does the title "End this Sub-Forum", meet with these intents?

 

[buddhasummer]

After reading through quite a number of the threads started in this sub-forum, my conclusion is that this forum (Accidents and Incidents) provides no benefit to the scuba diving community what so ever. I've read threads that start as an initial one paragraph report of an accident by a news organization to irresponsible slander of dive operators, DM's, boat crews, etc. the list is endless. I'm sure this forum was started as a way to provoke thought and enhance safety awareness, but what it has become is something all together different. Just my two cents worth!!

I also read the A&I forum and although a little grim at times have learnt a lot from it. You don't know what you don't know and by reading this have a larger library in my head as to what can go wrong and how, possibly, to avoid or get out of that situation.

Asking for the forum to be shut down seems a little extreme.

I would have thought as a new diver you could get some benefit from it.

But as others have said if you don't like it or see no benefit for YOU then simplest solution is not to sign in.

Welcome to scubaboard.

 

[jar546]

After reading through quite a number of the threads started in this sub-forum, my conclusion is that this forum (Accidents and Incidents) provides no benefit to the scuba diving community what so ever. I've read threads that start as an initial one paragraph report of an accident by a news organization to irresponsible slander of dive operators, DM's, boat crews, etc. the list is endless. I'm sure this forum was started as a way to provoke thought and enhance safety awareness, but what it has become is something all together different. Just my two cents worth!!

I can actually agree with some of the opinion of the OP. What I have noticed is:

1) Initially, most posts are pure speculation without any specific, confirmed facts.
2) Debate then starts based on speculation and not facts.
3) Facts are often never received at all and without confirmed facts, how can you truly learn from a specific incident?
4) There is then some bashing about ops, organizations, people, etc., still without confirmed facts
5) If a report was ever released by DAN or other, there is never follow-up.

A good example is of the safety team diver who passed recently with no facts given and immediately there were discussions based on a specific medical condition causing it. I think they went right to pulmonary embolism or something like that and who knows what really happened. He could have had an arrhythmia that had nothing to do with diving. Where did that discussion end up?

I would love to be able to have confirmed facts and learn from them in this very important sub-forum thats in question. I am, however completely turned off by the immediate speculation without any factual basis that dominates the topic.

 

[irishsquid]

... my conclusion is that this forum (Accidents and Incidents) provides no benefit to the scuba diving community what so ever...

Did your careful analysis of this sub-forum include discussion, interviews, or input with/from the 100s to 1000s of members who possibly found worth and benefit from the A&I discussions or was it based on just your opinion and value from your reading? Just curious. Your analysis of this sub-forum seems to be of the same mindset you claim occurs in the forum. IMO.

 

[DennisS]

I usually take a quick look at A&I, it's usually a news report of an accident followed by some posters asking, where was his buddy, did he drop his weights, was it bad gas. Once in awhile there is something useful that merits wading through pages of speculation that probably has absolutely nothing to do with the accident if the facts were available.

The one thing I get a kick out of are the self important folks. They believe the people involved are somehow hiding something by not posting information to scubaboard. They believe they are entitled to more information so they can give their opinion. They don't realize that a lot of the diving world has never heard of scubabooard or the A&I forum, nor are they interested in the posters opinion/speculation.

 

[Jax]

:lol: at OP!

Since when does something have to be 'fact' to be learning material?

I've learned an enormous amount from speculations, simply because they were presented as well-reasoned thoughts. As a diver performing risk analysis, speculation is exactly what one goes through prior to a dive.

What Devon and Don said. I sense a controlling personality who doesn't like others doing things he wouldn't do it. Just sayin'.

 

[VooDooGasMan]

End this sub forum (feedback) or put this thread in whine&cheese forum.

 

[Jax]

End this sub forum (feedback) or put this thread in whine&cheese forum.

 

[gcarter]

I can actually agree with some of the opinion of the OP. What I have noticed is:

1) Initially, most posts are pure speculation without any specific, confirmed facts.
2) Debate then starts based on speculation and not facts.
3) Facts are often never received at all and without confirmed facts, how can you truly learn from a specific incident?
4) There is then some bashing about ops, organizations, people, etc., still without confirmed facts
5) If a report was ever released by DAN or other, there is never follow-up.

A good example is of the safety team diver who passed recently with no facts given and immediately there were discussions based on a specific medical condition causing it. I think they went right to pulmonary embolism or something like that and who knows what really happened. He could have had an arrhythmia that had nothing to do with diving. Where did that discussion end up?

I would love to be able to have confirmed facts and learn from them in this very important sub-forum thats in question. I am, however completely turned off by the immediate speculation without any factual basis that dominates the topic.

There is often a lot to be learned from the debate, whether it is on the spcific facts of the incident of the thread or not.