Economical doubles?

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Double 80s work fine in an open water environment but can be a bit lacking in a cave environment.

Whether double AL80s are enough depends to a large extent on where you dive and who you dive with. In Mexico where caves tend to be shallower, they will work fine. However in Florida where caves on average tend to run deeper (60-110') they will not be as satisfactory.

That is expecially true if your team mates all have larger tanks. LP 95's are common and most of the time they are cave filled to hold 130 cu ft. 1/6th of 260 cu ft is 43 cu ft while 1/6th of 154 cu ft is only 26 cu ft. The reality is that double 80s will not make you very popular as a team mate, expecially with divers who have been through that first few hundred feet of cave several times - and you will soon find yourself severely limited as well.

I'd regard double 100s as the absolute minimum and LP 95s or HP 130s are preferrable.

It is true you can use 7.25" bands on larger tanks, but that diameter limits your options to HP 100s, like the X7-100, and X7-120. But the X7-120 is too long to trim well for most people under 6 ft tall. So in the end, an investment in 7.25" bands is largely wasted.

In terms of cost, it is not uncommon to find a set of suitable used steel doubles here or on the Deco Stop or Cave Divers Forum in the $500 range. In the big picture, that is only $200-$250 more than you will probably spend doubling a set of AL80s and you will be much more satisfied with them.

The suggestion that you could use AL 80s as independent doubles is also true, but it will severely limit your choice of instructors and many would not agree with a student using that configuration. If you are going the independent doubles route, you would be better off with a sidemount configuration (which will also limit instructor choice as well as certification agency choices) but again you still have the 26 cu ft limit to deal with.

Turning the left tank around to get by with a standard right hand valve will leave the left reg dangerously exposed and is a bad idea in a cave environment. Again, you'd be better off sidemount if you planned to do that.
 
You can set them up as independent doubles - that way you don't pay for the manifold. You may even be able to get away with using a right-handed valve depending on the profile of your regs - just rotate the tank around. Still need the bands and BP&W.


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Another money saving tip is you may even get away without any of that expensive training. (of course,if you dont get away with it the consequences are ummmm... unpleasant )

Al 80's, either manifolded or sidemounted can be made to work to start out with but will quickly become a limitation in Florida (If you want to drive your tanks to Mexico thats different)

Another alternative might be to just rent tanks for the class. I think Cave Adventurers charges the grand sum of $10/day for double 104's.

Used double 104's cost around $5-600 which really is a drop in the bucket once the cave Bug bites.

Guess DM was typing at the same time!
 
I am going to be purchasing the Piranha bands, and will be reporting back. You can try Ebay, and Dive Gear Express for manifolds and bands.
 
You can set them up as independent doubles - that way you don't pay for the manifold. You may even be able to get away with using a right-handed valve depending on the profile of your regs - just rotate the tank around. Still need the bands and BP&W.

Don't do this. Exposing a weak point (regulator) to the ceiling (made of rock) is dumb, just as dumb as not being able to reach your valve because its not the right type.

Get yourself a good manifold and some good bands and be safe about it. Gas = life. Don't skimp here. Used 104s can be had for 400-500 bucks. That's not a lot compared to everything else you'll end up getting as you move into cave diving.
 
Thank you all for the good info, I am very appreciative. I have been looking at and am intrigued by sidemounts. I'm not sure if it's really what I need but I was looking at it before now and maybe need to look closer.
 
I know a few people who dive the Double 80's here in a quarry. If its enough gas for the dive there should be no problem. Use what you got.

A quarry dive is no comparison to a cave dive. You should be careful on the advice you give like that until you have actually been there. An experienced diver can get away with twin 80s, but a newer cave diver is in for very short dive. Ian has a good point, rent the bigger cylinders if you don't want to buy them.
 
80s are fine for some caves, just not all of them. I guess its mainly a question of whether or not the money saved is worth the shorter dives. You may not mind shorter dives?

I get elated when I'm able to use my 72s for cave dives, its a hellovalot less weight to tote around. Sometimes, its all I need.
 
I guess I left out that I want to get used to diving doubles before I take the courses next winter. I will upgrade my equipment when it becomes a necessity but until that point I want to try and figure out what is what. The side benefit is when we come down for our trip we want to hit the Oriskany or the Spiegel Grove or both. And with those being deeper dives we get more bottom time (I realize it's minimal due to deco stops) but non the less it is more. But until I need to upgrade I just wondered if it was practical to use my AL80s.
 
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