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Hiya all...

There was a warning in the latest copy of 'Diver' that landed on my doorstep this morning, that the article:-

Open Circuit Compressed Air Scuba Gas/Air Temperature May Be Dangerous To Divers In Cold Water

Ryan P, Morgan B, Schultz T, (from Kirby Morgan, USA) Ward M (Dive Lab, Panama city)

is complete bolocks!!!!

Does anybody know the complete referenxce for it (journal etc..)? It doesn't exist on any of the standard scientific indexing databases (Medline, Current contents etc..). Even though it is supposed to be complete crap, and full of medical errors I would like to look at it and draw my own conclusions.

Any info anyone?

Jon T
 
Hi Jon:

The article that you mention is quoted on several web sites, as follows:

http://www.scubadiving.com/scubaalert.html
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/crunchit/scub.htm
http://www.nitroxdiver.com/Library/coldreg.html

We did not include this report in any of our material in 'Diving Medicine Online' for the main reason that the tests are in a 'closed' report and 'not available at this time'! I cannot find that it has been reported in any journal or peer-reviewed publication. Here is the quote from their article:

"The results of the tests are in report:

DIVE LAB
Report 2000-1
November, 2000
Customer: Kirby Morgan Dive Systems


The report is the property of Kirby Morgan Dive Systems and is not available at this time."

It should also be noted that this 'Dive Lab' is a private organization and to our knowledge is not related to the US Navy Dive Lab in Panama City, FL.
 
Copied from the article.....

The physical mechanism of respiratory shock is not fully understood by the authors. It appears that laryngospasm occurs. The diver’s airway is completely blocked by the epiglottis sealing the trachea closed.

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Docs -

Laryngospasm - surely, this is a spasm of the larynx (vocal cords) and nothing to do with the epiglottis. Yes?? (I thought laryngospasm was a spasm of the vocal cords that could block the airway. Yes??

Having read what is written, I think that an elemental anatomy class is to be recomended to the authors.

Jon T
 
From Divernet: http://www.divernet.com/news/items/cold060601.htm

DATELINE: 6th June 2001

SUFFOCATION CLAIM REJECTED
A prominent British diving doctor has rejected the dramatic claims of US researchers that sport divers are risking suffocation by throat spasm when diving in colder waters.
Dr Chris Edge, who sits on the UK Sport Diving Medical Committee, has described as "bollocks" the researchers' claim that, due to the refrigeration effect on gas reduced in pressure by a regulator, a diver's airway can become blocked by a condition quoted as laryngospasm, brought on by the sub-zero breathing gas.
The US study has claimed that the risk of respiratory shock and suffocation can occur when diving in waters of 4.5°C or less - and that this could be the answer to some unexplained coldwater diving deaths.
Suddenly rendered unable to breathe, it says, a diver would appear to buddies to "panic" and head for the surface, resulting in fatal embolism injuries - even from shallow depths - because a blocked airway would prevent exhalation during ascent.
Even among those who survive such an incident, says the report, the sudden inability to breathe could well be mistaken for a regulator/ gas flow malfunction, such that the problem has gone "unnoticed and unreported in open-circuit scuba diving for many years".
The study was conducted by the Dive Lab of Panama City on behalf of US manufacturer Kirby Morgan Dive Systems of Santa Barbara, which has developed a heating system for scuba breathing gases, previously limited to the world of commercial diving.
The study was based on a series of tests on rigs immersed in water at different temperatures.
"It is not known at what temperature respiratory shock occurs in divers and it undoubtedly varies from diver to diver," said the authors of the report.
"We believe that -23.3°C on any gas including air, but especially helium mix [due to helium's greater heat transfer characteristics], is cold enough to cause a serious danger to any diver."
In the tests, such a gas temperature was recorded at the regulator first stage when a cylinder filled to 206.8 bar was immersed in water at 4.5°C, representing conditions often experienced by divers around the world.
Chris Edge described the study's claims as groundless because of the lack of clinical trials and "no indication that they have any anatomical, physiological or medical knowledge".
"These people haven't a clue what they're talking about," he told Divernet. "First of all, common sense would tell you that, if their claims are correct, people would be keeling over from just walking about in places like Alaska, Siberia or Antarctica, where air temperatures go lower than -23°C.
"They also show a serious ignorance of physiology by stating that their supposed respiratory shock is caused by laryngospasm in which, quote, 'the diver's airway is completely blocked by the epiglottis sealing the trachea closed'. Laryngospasm is in fact a movement of the vocal cords across the larynx."
Even the researchers' scuba rig test results were meaningless, said Dr Edge.
"They took the temperature of gas at the first stage, but what matters is temperature at the second stage. Flowing through the linking hose, gas starts to calibrate with the surrounding water temperature. It is affected further by water temperature when it enters the highly conductive, metal-cased second stage.
"And then there's the warming effect of your own mouth. Gas hits the back of your throat warmer than when it entered."
Dr Edge advises divers who read the research report, Open Circuit Compressed Air Scuba Gas/Air Temperatures May Be Dangerous To Divers In Cold Water by Pete Ryan, Bev Morgan & Trent Schultz of Kirby Morgan and Mike Ward of the Dive Lab, to ignore its content.


Ralph
 
Sorry, this is complete crap.

I believe the quote from divernet addresses this as well, but there *are* places on this planet where -40 (centigrade) is a daily temperature, and while certain problems *do* happen, "freezing throat syndrome" is certainly *NOT* one of them.

Been there, done it....
 
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