Do Not Touch

[Crimson Ghost]

Zorrr2:yelclap:

 

[desiredbard]

Ok maybe I'm weird....
The Idea of that poor puffer poisoning itself, the mental picture is an enourmous deterrant for me......
Die and Dead is such a neutral word .......
All I hoped to do was deter others by detailed examples from experienced divers.

Not create a list
- dont touch these because they are dangerous to you
- dont touch these because they die (general)
--> So its safe to touch these and these

To go back to the red light example.
1 Jim ignored a red trafick light and killed a 14 year old who was crossing the road
2 Jim ignored a red trafick ligh and hit a blond blue eyed schoolboy who just left foorball practice. the whose right arm was crushed under the front left tire before his scull hit the curb splitting it open. The boy died an agonising dead 5 hours after being transported to the hospital.

 

[fishb0y]

If fish are so susceptible to "Death by Touch", then I guess we should get rid of catch and release fishing then? I would say that there are many times more fisherman than there are divers. Many of them practice catch and release.

Come on now... lets all think about what we are saying... fish are not washing ashore because people are touching them. Why is it only our touch? Couldn't this "protective slime" get scrapped of by rubbing against a rock or other object? Lets try taking our PADI induced emotion out of this and look at it through the eyes of reality.

 

[Zorrr2]

OK . . . one last time (I hope . . yea I know . . may be wishful thinking) . .

You Said . .
"All I hoped to do was deter others by detailed examples from experienced divers."

Sooooo . . here is your list (examples) . . short . . sweet . . and above all . . VERY SIMPLE . .

Are you ready . . but hold it . . want you to try one thing first . . . take your right hand and place it over your right ear before you read on . . . ready

Here is the LIST . . . . . . . see it . . . . . .

Thats right there is NOTHING that should be touched . . NOTHING . . its that simple !!

PS . . about the right hand . . . I had you do that so the "LIST" above would "STOP IN THE MIDDLE". . LOL . . or at least I tried !! :shakehead

 

[Sideband]

To go back to the red light example.
1 Jim ignored a red trafick light and killed a 14 year old who was crossing the road
2 Jim ignored a red trafick ligh and hit a blond blue eyed schoolboy who just left foorball practice. the whose right arm was crushed under the front left tire before his scull hit the curb splitting it open. The boy died an agonising dead 5 hours after being transported to the hospital.

Jim needs to slow the heck down and pay attention to what he is doing. The light at that particular intersection is rather short though and I have almost blown through it a time or two myself. I hope the boys families are holding up ok. A loss like that can be very hard to work through. I wonder if the two boys knew each other. So young...So young...

Joe

 

[KrisB]

Jim needs to slow the heck down and pay attention to what he is doing. The light at that particular intersection is rather short though and I have almost blown through it a time or two myself. I hope the boys families are holding up ok. A loss like that can be very hard to work through. I wonder if the two boys knew each other. So young...So young...

Joe

Keep in mind, that Jim could just as easily have slowed down, looked both ways and then gone through the red light, not hitting anybody. That doesn't make it right... if you don't believe me, ask a cop. Better yet, tell a cop you did it and that you're willing to suffer whatever consequences are normally afforded such transgressions.

Here's a hint: you'll get a ticket.

The point is: if an experience DM shows you...... it should be safe not?
Disappointed that experienced divers here rather see a newby make mistakes ...towards the fish or him/herself than give a direct answer to a at least 10 times repeated question

Bas -- that's not it at all. What we're doing is helping you NOT make mistakes. Don't touch ANYTHING and you won't kill anything! It really is that simple! Now, if you want to go out and touch stuff... fine -- but beware that you could be killing it, and leave that on your conscience. In fact, assume that everything you touch or provoke will die, then see how you feel after you touch some different creatures.

 

[Wildcard]

If fish are so susceptible to "Death by Touch", then I guess we should get rid of catch and release fishing then? I would say that there are many times more fisherman than there are divers. Many of them practice catch and release.

Come on now... lets all think about what we are saying... fish are not washing ashore because people are touching them. Why is it only our touch? Couldn't this "protective slime" get scrapped of by rubbing against a rock or other object? Lets try taking our PADI induced emotion out of this and look at it through the eyes of reality.

Without reading all the way through this thread, I have to agree, I was thinking the same basic thing. Touch a fish and it dies? What are those things in aquariums then? They were all caught and handled a lot.
Now should we touch? Prolly better not to but it's not like it's wanton destruction.

 

[KrisB]

Without reading all the way through this thread, I have to agree, I was thinking the same basic thing. Touch a fish and it dies? What are those things in aquariums then? They were all caught and handled a lot.
Now should we touch? Prolly better not to but it's not like it's wanton destruction.

I do agree, Wildcard in the "touch & die" area. I think there are far fewer direct consequences than have been suggested. I also think that there is a very good chance that any touching will modify the fish's behaviour -- in fact, our mere presence there does that.

Could this be a bad thing? Of course -- if they get used to "friendly" big creatures, what happens when that eagle ray comes along "oooh! he's going to feed me!" says the fish... nuh uh! he's going to EAT you!

My point is this -- why make a list of stuff to touch (or not to touch) when there's no point in touching it, and the foreseeable harm (to both parties) is far greater than the foreseeable gain to either party?

 

[Wildcard]

Miss Piggy spends her morning agresivly slaming divers that don't feed her fast enough and she is not only healthy but fat! Ever see a fat eagle ray? She seems to suffer no harm from daily handling.

 

[*Floater*]

I have a question about touching turtles (and other species): Is it true (as one DM in Egypt told us) that touching a turtle's shell can cause some protective slime cover to be wiped off exposing the turtle to infection or some such thing?

In another place, another country, a DM directed my girlfriend to touch a turtle they found. I think it lived 'cuz I saw several of them at the same site 6 months later... but I didn't touch... I think our lights did wake them up and piss them off I think though.

Also, sometimes the fish will touch me, especially at sites where they are often fed. They sometimes come out at nibble at my finger tips when I hold out my hand even when there's nothing there...