Divers find oldest bone to date in the Americas

[RIDIVER501]

Linked divers story

cool story

 

[DA Aquamaster]

I have watched the debate on the clovis first/single migration theory versus the multiple migration theory for several years with a great deal if interest.

Personally, I think the clovis tool carrying folks evicted the previous owners. If people can migrate some place, they do and crossing along the edge of the artic ice from Europe would not have been that hard to accomplish.

 

[RIDIVER501]

I haven't been following it as intently as you but still very interesting stuff

 

[archman]

I think we have Clovis points in Spring Lake (Texas). It's the oldest continuously occupied native american site on the continent. Unfortunately it's now all underwater, albeit in a crystal clear, gorgeous pool. Next time I go by, I'll ask around and see what are oldest human records are dated at.

 

[skywalk234]

Very cool stuff.

 

[The Kraken]

I'm with you, DA.
I think it would have been much easier to cross an Atlantic ice bridge than it would have the Pacific.

 

[cyklon_300]

I think we have Clovis points in Spring Lake (Texas). It's the oldest continuously occupied native american site on the continent. Unfortunately it's now all underwater, albeit in a crystal clear, gorgeous pool. Next time I go by, I'll ask around and see what are oldest human records are dated at.

IIRC from the Science Diver course, it was stated that the area has been continuously inhabited for 11-12,000 years.

 

[Mako Mark]

I'm with you, DA.
I think it would have been much easier to cross an Atlantic ice bridge than it would have the Pacific.

I heard that there is some MDNA evidence that supports this with regards to Kenniwick man.

This would have all sorts of weird reprcussions regarding indegenous land rights etc. Its a can of worms.

Interesting stuff though. I recently did a dive in a cave here with large quantities of human bones. I even posted a trip report about it, but one of the mods removed the thread as the site is supposed to be "restricted" and sensitive, even though it has been published in Nat Geo mag.

 

[The Kraken]

Mark,
Would you PM me the info?
Quite intriguing . . .

 

[DA Aquamaster]

I heard that there is some MDNA evidence that supports this with regards to Kenniwick man.

This would have all sorts of weird reprcussions regarding indegenous land rights etc. Its a can of worms.

The Kenniwick man, and the spear point found in him, tend to paint a non politically correct picture of "native" americans immigrating from the east and pushing out the older and even more native inhabitants. Consequently, in addition to academic inertia, some indigenous groups are opposed to the idea of revision the single migration theory.

Of course a previous invasiona nd dislocation of native peoples is so pre-history that I do not forsee any impact on indigenous land rights, other than challenging traditional tribal claims to all pre-columbian remains on their traditional lands. But it is still a concern in some circles as it would remove the moral high ground, so to speak with regard to displacing native peoples.