Diver Etiquette - So Cal

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DiverBuoy

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In my area most of the dive locations are in residential areas with many million dollar homes all along the beaches and cliffs. Every beach has a posted diver etiquette sign. Here are the "rules":

1. Keep noise to a minimum, especially in the early morning and evening hours.
2. Enter and exit in sand beach areas; not over rocky points.
3. Prevent clutter - Keep unused diving equipment in your vehicle.
4. Be courteous when using night diving lights.
5. Be discriminate when you dress and undress.
6. Loading and unloading of equipment is prohibited in no-parking zones.
7. Do not unload your equipment into the street.
8. Do not block sidewalks, driveways or stairways with diving equipment.
9. Use appropriate equipment when diving.
10. Follow the directions of city lifeguards; They are there for your safety.
11. Dive away from smaller coves and beaches, whenever possible.

I don't think these cover enough of the important things. Mainly these rules are used for the benefit of the local residents who would rather divers not dive from their streets and neighborhoods. When setting up gear by your vehicle, neighbors who walk or jog by or any passerby are very unfriendly and extremly rarely even reciprocate a friendly greeting. I feel bad that so many divers have ruined it for the rest of us.

These rules should be broadened beyond etiquette and include some useful things. I believe they should add some stuff on environment (like staying off the reef and bottom) and diver safety (like diving with a buddy), or a real law like you must have a snorkel (not just "use appropriate equipment") - instead of worrying about whether or not my towel might drop too low when I'm doffing my wetsuit!

What do you think about these? What etiquette if any do you have in your area? How favorable are your communities toward diving?
 
Hi,
the signs here in Germany read quite simililar. And I think they are reasonable.
But I hate the thought of real laws about how to dive. At least as long as the laws are regulating something that only could harm (???) the diver himself. I believe strongly that it should be my decision if I want to dive solo, and if my buddy and I agree about wearing no snorkel it is our choice. As long as it is only considered dangerous to those who act in a certain way it should be up to them. Different when others might get involved.
 
DiverBuoy once bubbled...
....instead of worrying about whether or not my towel might drop too low when I'm doffing my wetsuit!

What towel?

I spent years beach diving off Palm Beach and Broward County, several places in areas where even _stopping_ at a public beach access lane was prohibited. We got out of the vehicle fully dressed with the wheels still rolling, and reversed the procedure getting in. This annoyed the hell out of the condo commandos and rent-a-gestapo, and generally entertained the actual LEOs. We made sure we stayed within the letter of the law, but barely.

Moneyed idiots seem to think that accumulation of gilt gives them rights above the peons. We used to take great pains to demonstrate to them that we intended to keep the beach access rights outlined in state and federal law. Remember that a right not exercised is quickly lost.

IMNSO people who build on beaches and barrier islands deserve all the harassment they can be (legally) given. We subsidize their foolishness through the insurance companies charging US to repair or replace their houses after each storm. I believe insurance on any beach property should be continued until the property is damaged beyond economical repair, then the replacement cost is paid and all insurance is forever denied for that plot of land. Beaches and barrier islands are temporary, and building on them just hurries their demise. We shouldn't subsidize the destruction of our coastline!
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Nessie once bubbled...
Hi,
the signs here in Germany read quite simililar. And I think they are reasonable.
But I hate the thought of real laws about how to dive. At least as long as the laws are regulating something that only could harm (???) the diver himself. I believe strongly that it should be my decision if I want to dive solo, and if my buddy and I agree about wearing no snorkel it is our choice. As long as it is only considered dangerous to those who act in a certain way it should be up to them. Different when others might get involved.

I guess you could construe my comment as anti-solo. That wasn't my intent. I'm really thinking about how etiquette is sort of like teaching morals. I think these signs are so impotent because they haven't in any way saved the community from hating divers. Year after year there are petitions made to limit or eliminate the "diver thorn in their side". So I think instead of wasting the space with useless banter about things you can't really enforce, make use of this space to inform new visitors about things that will make a difference.

May I ask why you hate the thought about real laws about how to dive?
 
DiverBuoy,

We probably dive similar spots. When I do beach dives in So Cal, it is usually around the Palos Verdes peninnsula or around Laguna Beach.

In my experience, the residents around these dive spots were actually pretty pleasant. On several occasions residents have provided me with viz and surf info when I was suiting up before a dive (I didn't even ask). But, I do try to go out of my way to be courteous to the residents around these dive sites.

FYI: Laguna Beach life guards do require that divers wear a snorkle. It's city ordinance.

Fred T
It is my understanding that residents only have trouble with the types of divers that 1) scream and yell in front of their house at 6AM on a Sunday, and 2) leave trash on their driveway. I can't speak for the snobs in Palm Beach, but SoCal beach front home owners are generally OK.

Hell, if you were screaming in front of my house on a Sunday morning, or if you were using my front lawn as a trash dump, I'd probably come out and shoot you (maybe). Wouldn't you do the same?
 
No doubt there are some inconsiderate divers out, but I don't think we can blame the actions and attitudes of the residents solely on that.

In California, all beaches are public property up to the high tide mark, if I'm not mistaken. There is also a law mandating that there be access to the waterfront every X distance. But home owners repeatedly violate this law, without any govt. agency taking action.

Case in point: Rich Hollywood producer gets permit to build waterfront home. It is approved contingent he builds and allows an easeway to the shore. Producer builds home, blocks access to shore and uses his influence and money to tie down the matter with legal challenges.

Your good enough to spend your money to go see his movies, but not good enough to swim in YOUR beach in front of his house.

Back on topic, basically it comes down to common sense of courtesy towards others, on both sides of the fence.
 
ifukuda once bubbled...
DiverBuoy,
We probably dive similar spots. When I do beach dives in So Cal, it is usually around the Palos Verdes peninnsula or around Laguna Beach.
No doubt.

ifukuda once bubbled...
In my experience, the residents around these dive spots were actually pretty pleasant. On several occasions residents have provided me with viz and surf info when I was suiting up before a dive (I didn't even ask).
This might be a clue to you - HOW did these "residents" know the vis - unless they were divers or actually went diving. Of course, I'm not intending confrontation - I too have met nice folks in these neighborhoods but it took hundreds of visits to find them :(

ifukuda once bubbled...
FYI: Laguna Beach life guards do require that divers wear a snorkle. It's city ordinance.
This is precisely my point - why not point out diving specific ordinances one can actually get into trouble for, rather than - "please don't show your moon to the neighbors - they'd appreciate it". Nah really?

ifukuda once bubbled...
Fred T
It is my understanding that residents only have trouble with the types of divers that 1) scream and yell in front of their house at 6AM on a Sunday, and 2) leave trash on their driveway. I can't speak for the snobs in Palm Beach, but SoCal beach front home owners are generally OK.

Hell, if you were screaming in front of my house on a Sunday morning, or if you were using my front lawn as a trash dump, I'd probably come out and shoot you (maybe). Wouldn't you do the same?

Me too. When there is a big crowd, clearly including numerous newcomers - I've policed the streets myself and speak up when I've observed a few who are ruining it for the rest of us.
 
We get some of that here, and it's usually for surf sites. There was a particularly prolonged and nasty dispute that was in the news a few months ago with a homeowner in a very expensive and exclusive neighborhood in East Oahu - he actually put up a gate and a lock blocking access through the lane going down to the beach.

His city councilman came (with news cameras, of course) and cut off the lock - but a new lock would be up a few days later. The situation was a bit muddled because the actual entrance to the lane was actually on this guy's property. The lane itself was city and county (or was it State?) property.

It seems like the disputes here occur mainly in the areas that contain really expensive ($1M plus) homes - in other locations, everyone's more laid back (as long as everyone is courteous about it) and beach access isn't an issue.
 
Diving, hunting, fishing, running, biking, driving, golfing, etc.

While I'm more than happy to help anyone educating a slob the "everyone who --------s is a slob" attitude also needs rather drastic correcting. The fights over beach access SHOULD NOT NEED TO BE FOUGHT! A simple solution was outlined above. Another possibility is that anyone one violating this access requirement can simply forfit ALL hiis beach front property as part of the fine! After all we CAN outvote them, especially in the Peoples Republic of California. Sounds like it's time for a petition drive to get something on the ballot!

FT
 
Laguna beach does require a snorkel, DiverBouy is correct. The lifeguards will not let you enter the water without one.

Also, you will not be permittied to SOLO dive in laguna. It is a ticketable offense, i know because my buddy Russ was sited. Granted, they will not enforce this during the winter when the Lifeguards are not on duty. But i suspect they could if they showed up.

Solo diving is another thread, but i am for it - within reason.

Andy
 

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