Diver Death on the Algol?

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I was at the my LDS today dropping off tanks when the owner mentioned that he heard a diver died on Sunday diving the Algol off of the Seeker. I did a couple of searches and couldn't come up with anything. Has anyone heard about this?

Ty

PS. the Algol is off the Jersey coast and the Seeker is the dive boat mentioned quite a bit in "The Last Dive" and "Deep Decent"
 
Sometimes I think that the "Seeker" is attempting to hold the record for most divers lost. :(
I've never actually dove with them, but I have gone on the "Wahoo" Great crew, nice boat, would definately go again. I would sure think twice about the "Seeker" though.
 
Originally posted by Paul168341
Sometimes I think that the "Seeker" is attempting to hold the record for most divers lost. :(
I've never actually dove with them, but I have gone on the "Wahoo" Great crew, nice boat, would definately go again. I would sure think twice about the "Seeker" though.

That's a ridiculous statement.
 
I agree with wreckwriter, it's a ridiculous statement. It's not the boat, they only go out and hook in on the wreck. It's not the wreck, Algol is a relatively easy dive.
 
Recent list of the 12 divers lost just on the Doria alone...


1981, Sea Hunter Captain Sal Arena
1983, Wahoo Captain Steve Bielenda
1985, Wahoo Captain Steve Bielenda
1988, Seeker Captain Bill Nagel
1992, Seeker Captain Bill Nagel
1992, Seeker Captain Bill Nagel
1993, Sea Hunter III Captain Sal Arena
1998, Seeker Captain Dan Crowell
1998, Seeker Captain Dan Crowell
1998, Seeker Captain Dan Crowell
1999, Seeker Captain Dan Crowell
1999, Seeker Captain Dan Crowell

BTW, A good charter does more than just "hook the wreck." Although Tec divers are alone responsible for their own gear (i.e. no redundant checks by others) It is also the responsibility of the captain and the charter operation to be reasonably assured that a diver on board can handle the dive, making sure they are experienced, weather and water conditions are favorable etc...
I know from personal experience that Steve (who has unfortuneately had to deal with the tradgedy of losing divers) is extreemly thorough in checking one's past experiences, and takes safety VERY seriously.
We don't yet know all the facts surrounding this most recent loss, it may well be an "easy" wreck, but easy for some may not be easy for all.
Based on the numbers over the years, the "Seeker's" track record is not very good.
 
How many other boats dive the Doria? How many trips do these other boats make?

Your statement is akin to blaming Ginnie Springs for the deaths there.

BTW, I heard at my dive club meeting last night the the guy that died had a heart attack. He was 56 and overweight. Sounds like that should be blamed on the Seeker too, huh?

Ty
 
Since the Seeker runs the majority of the trips out to the Doria I would naturally assume that the majority of divers would dive from the Seeker (that's a long surface swim..). Given that, it follows that the majority of the deaths on the Doria would have been off of Seeker charters.

Just like it is not McDonald's fault that someone went into one and shot up a bunch of people, it is not the Seeker's fault that a bunch of people choose to die while diving off their boat. I am sure that the Seeker has much better surface support than any of the boats I have been on.
 
O-Ring,
You are probably correct in that the Seeker may do more visits to the Doria, but that doesn't make it right either. Whether someone is an instructor, DM, or boat captain, we all have a responsibility to ensure diver safety. If there are people out there who are enabling people to push the envelope too far, then they need to step back and ask if they are doing the sport more harm than good. If this continues, there WILL be government intervention; something which none of us want. Statistically, diving is still relatively safe, but it is only proper attitudes that will keep it that way.
An excerpt from an ABCNews story...

"Bielenda points out that among the five deaths in the past two seasons, three of the divers had heart problems.
“Some of these guys didn’t even belong on a boat, let alone in the water,” he says. "

*This is a reference to the last 5 divers the Seeker lost on the Doria.*


"Bielenda argues that attitude is equally critical when it comes to staying safe underwater. In his 20 years of guiding divers to the U.S.S. San Diego and the Andrea Doria, Bielenda has lost two divers. One of these divers died, he says, because he was too eager to retrieve a plate and dropped through a tangled cavern in the wreck.
“It’s an ego drive,” says Bielenda. “People get caught up in the drive to recover something because if you have an artifact, people can’t pooh-pooh you.”
But Dan Crowell, the owner of the Seeker, a boat that carries the most divers to the Andrea Doria wreck every year, argues there’s little a captain can do to avoid attitudes.
“Diving lends itself to some of the worst egos I’ve ever seen,” says Crowell, who in the past two seasons, had to retrieve the bodies of five people who had perished after diving off his ship. “But this is America and everyone has a right to do what they want.”

Notice the difference in attitude, Bielenda's concern is safety, Crowell's concern is, what? That they signed the proper release? That they paid the fee? I still assert that divers, pros, and captains MUST be watchdogs and prevent, to the BEST of our ability, ANY accident. While accidents do happen, those with the higher numbers need to be even more careful to try and prevent them, not just cover themselves from liability.


Your statement is akin to blaming Ginnie Springs for the deaths there

Actually, tchill, you're comparing apples to oranges. I am concerned about people (dive pros and boat captains) who are not being responsible, not the site itself. A dive site is an inanimate object and obviously can't be held responsible for anything.:rolleyes:
 
Paul,

What are your qualifications to make statements about the quality of this boat and/or crew? Are you a professional captain, a scuba instructor, a deep wreck diver, or what?

Tom
 
Tom,
Instructor, been diving NE wrecks for 12 yrs. So what? How is that relevant? I think ANYONE is qualified to question the quality of any charter boat. What qualifications does someone need to make a statement about a charter operation which has had a high number of losses? What qualifies you to decide that? What I made was an observation on the fact that the Seeker has had an alarmingly high number of casualties. That is what I find disturbing. I don't think it takes an "expert" to see that something isn't right here.

Paul
 

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