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howdie all,
curently a rescue diver. gained qualifications and experience in thailand, bali, komodo/flores, tassie (and limited uk).
keen to find a great location for divemaster over my summer hols in August.
i am keen for a location that has variety but particularly like deep rock features/walls/ caves/swimthroughs and large life. living on a boat can also be great if there is a good crowd.

my question is if anyone knows of a good location in central america as i have no knowledge. is it better than komodo? and parts of indo? which would surely be a cheaper trip - travelwise and dive cost - wise.
open tio suggestions - malaysia, philipines etc
your help muchly appreciated
Andy
 
Have you had a look at doing your Divemaster Internship is Bali, Indonesia? I did all my professional training with BLUE SEASON BALI and the quality of the training there was fantastic. If you are also thinking about doing it in August time it is perfect timing to see the fantastic Mola Mola and of course the year round Mantas at Nusa Penida.

Hope this helps

P
 
Why do you want to be a DM first of all?
What do you plan on doing with your DM cert?
And why try to finish it in a month?


Here's a mini rant I usually spout off whenever I see someone trying to get a DM cert quickly.
See Post #6
The whole rant in this case doesn't apply to you (ie. going completely fresh to DM), it was just the most recent one I could dig up.
 
thanks very much 44pi, will look into it, although i have been to nusa penida and seen the mantas. there were some very professional people and i liked it alot.

with regards to why...
well i like diving and i like learning and want to see as much as possible. i am not really out to make money or jump to instructor. i know my abilities and they are limited.
but a new location, working with a team, doing lots of diving at a reasonable cost in a beautiful location seems like a good thing to do. i would be more than happy if a centre didn't think i was suitable but i'm not a cowboy. a good dive centre should know when i was ready to do certain tasks. at the end of the day they don't have to sign me off.
go easy. its a great thing and i have taken to it relatively well so why not investigate further?
appreciate your viewpoint tho.
 
thanks very much 44pi, will look into it, although i have been to nusa penida and seen the mantas. there were some very professional people and i liked it alot.

with regards to why...
well i like diving and i like learning and want to see as much as possible. i am not really out to make money or jump to instructor. i know my abilities and they are limited.
but a new location, working with a team, doing lots of diving at a reasonable cost in a beautiful location seems like a good thing to do. i would be more than happy if a centre didn't think i was suitable but i'm not a cowboy. a good dive centre should know when i was ready to do certain tasks. at the end of the day they don't have to sign me off.
go easy. its a great thing and i have taken to it relatively well so why not investigate further?
appreciate your viewpoint tho.

I think it's great you want to keep learning and diving. From what you said, it's a good start IMO. I wouldn't trust a dive center to know when your ready or not though. If you're paying for a DM class or internship, that alone may just be enough for them to take you on.

Now I think if you want take a DM class you should be doing it mainly because you want to be a DM and learn leadership skills. As a DM you'll be in charge of planning, briefing, and leading dives. Other divers will still have to plan their own dive, but you'll be giving them a baseline "suggestion" more or less. You'll be in charge of watching over them to a degree as well.
Additionally I think a good DM should hand out advice about good/safe diving practices and marine conservation (can be as basic as avoid finning the reef). But you also have to know when you're experienced and qualified enough to hand out that advice.

In a DM class you'll mainly be learning leadership skills. I wouldn't go in if you think you still have basic scuba skills you're actively trying to work on. (ie. buoyancy, trim, holding a midwater safety stop, etc)
If you're taking it just for the sake of learning and taking a class, I wouldn't recommend it. But if you think there's a chance you'll want to work as a DM later on then by all means go for it.
The one thing I worry about is someone getting a DM card and then toting it around as if it makes them a great diver.

Holding a DM card also means paying a agency fee to keep active with your DM cert. Additionally you'll have to buy liability insurance when you're working as a DM.

I don't mean to sound harsh or stomp on your parade, but that's just my 2cents on getting a DM cert.
 
I don't particularly agree with this post. I think you will get much more, in terms of applicable experience in advanced conditions, out of doing the DM away from Bali; or at least away from Blue Season. They are a fine shop, don't get me wrong, but you will have a most tame experience with them and hitting the standards of Crystal Bay, Manta Point, SD, TP, Tulamben, etc. Plus: a month in Sanur?? I'd rather drown! LOL. I would work a deal with Two Fish to split the month over their Bunaken and Lembeh locations - this would give you a fairly well rounded experience - and they are the cheapest in the area.
On the other hand, my advice on this is always the same: For a real EDUCATION in dive leadership, Komodo can't be beat. That's the most difficult commercially viable dive destination I know of and it's dirt cheap. I lead about 20 trips a year; mostly in R4 and Komodo. When I have free time... I still dive Komodo most. Plenty of pelagics, macro, action, night dives that won't put you to sleep or into hypothermia for lack of activity... you just have to put in the time. I see posts on here that there are limitations to Komodo. There ARE NOT! You just have to put in the time. Orcas and blue whales are even regular visitors! And if you aren't lucky like that... the average dive is still better than anything around Bali, Bunaken, the Similans, etc. Try Dive Komodo. They have the experience in the area and have good relations with many liveaboards that they may be able to put you on for part of the time. Living on a boat for a month while doing your DM is unlikely; as this is not financially beneficial to the operator. The only one that might do it is the outfit that owns the Charlie and the Mona Lisa... but I don't know which website is theirs vs. all the agents'.
Have you had a look at doing your Divemaster Internship is Bali, Indonesia? I did all my professional training with BLUE SEASON BALI and the quality of the training there was fantastic. If you are also thinking about doing it in August time it is perfect timing to see the fantastic Mola Mola and of course the year round Mantas at Nusa Penida.

Hope this helps

P
 
Hey Andy,

I have heard great things on Roatan (Honduras) for Dive Master training. Never been there, but big chance I would go there for further training (IDC ?).
I myself did my Dive Master at Koh Tao, Thailand with Buddha View. The place was recommended by people who did theirs there. The island is a real training island : full of IDCs & CDCs : all offering some sort of Dive Master training. I did mine in 3 1/2 weeks which was a bit of a hurry (but I did all my theory at home, so I only had practics to do). To be recommended.
Don't hesitate if you need practical info.

Regards,

Joeri
 
Andy,
This reply is lengthy and perhaps a little inarticulate. I was initially going to PM it to you as it doesn't directly answer your question (I tried to answer your question but kept disappearing off at tangents), but here it is, in case any one else is interested.

Wherever in the world you choose, I'm sure that you will love the diving and that there will be plenty of new creatures to see.

Nic

well i like diving and i like learning and want to see as much as possible. i am not really out to make money or jump to instructor. i know my abilities and they are limited.
but a new location, working with a team, doing lots of diving at a reasonable cost in a beautiful location seems like a good thing to do. i would be more than happy if a centre didn't think i was suitable but i'm not a cowboy. a good dive centre should know when i was ready to do certain tasks. at the end of the day they don't have to sign me off.
go easy. its a great thing and i have taken to it relatively well so why not investigate further?

That's a good attitude to have towards the certification. Mine was similar; I made it clear at the outset that I was after the knowledge and experience, not the card, so if I did not meet the grade then so be it.

I would suggest you get some more dives in before going for the DM, but with the right attitude you should be fine.
I have dived with DMTs with a limited number of dives under their belts and many of them have been an embarassment to the professional dive industry... They are professional divers in training and often struggle with many of the basics.

Some advice

Your dive gear
Make sure that you have dive gear that you are familar with that is robust and appropriate. I know that there are many DMTs who hire equipment, which is, IMHO crazy foolish. This also includes owning and carrying a dsmb, torch etc. If you're not used to diving with a dsmb, then get some familiarity with it first, or at least make it known to your instructor that you're a bit rusty with its deployment.

Standards of instruction and number of trainees vary
Find an instructor based on the standard of training that you know you will receive. It is pointless of have the cert card but not the training and experience to back it up. Some instructors will go above and beyond what is required, and so they should, standards really are minimal, and you are in effect, employed by them and representing their business, if you are ****e, you reflect poorly upon them. They should be providing a challenging albeit attainable level of training.
A lot of centres are embossed, watermarked and neon-lit with the phrase 'we are not a dive factory' which probably means that they are a dive factory.
My DM course was me, just me, and I am so glad that I was lucky enough to train that way. The only time another DM would have been a help would have been for practise dives/mapping dives; to have a buddy without bothering one of the dive guides; or maybe to bounce questions off when studying.

Also tied in here is cost
The cost of a more expensive course is usually but not always outweighed by the level of instruction.
A more pricey course can also be negated by eating local food (if SE Asia for example), living in the cheapest available accommodation, and negotiating on price (because youre there for 4 weeks), and not drinking so much alcohol (you're diving right?... so don't drink so much and set an example)

Is 4 weeks long enough?.
The longer you have, the more experience you receive.
An OW water diver taking AOW at our centre told me that he couldn't swim when he passed OW but he liked diving so he learned how to swim (good for him); he was also astonished that I was planning on training for 8 weeks, because at the dive centre he trained at the DM course took 16 days.
Towards the end of my 8 weeks, I was still way behind on mapping my dive site, which was extensive..., and had various scenarios to get officially signed off.
We then had 2 large groups of divers who took up alot more of my and the instructor's time than expected. It was not rushed, but it was a close call.
It was ...
Week 2 before I had the confidence to offer people with poor trim and/or buoyancy advice on weighting etc.
Week 6 when my instructor and I pulled apart regs and bcds and operated the compressor.
Week 4 when I had to hold the hand of a 12 year old all dive, while his nervous mother held the hand of an instructor.
Week 3/4 when my instructor started throwing himself off the dive boat, a dive guide would not surface from a dive, (prompting me to get flustered and attempt to coordinate an effective rescue)
Week 7/8 when I had to continually inflate the same girls bcd at the surface after every dive because she would spit out her regulator and forget how to float.
Week 8 when I had to ferry my own O2 cylinder across to another boat because a diver wasn't sure if they had dci or a jellyfish sting (fortunately I got the tank back and my boat could continue to dive)
Week 7/8 when I almost had to physically force a group of Nitrox divers to mark their tanks and the log. Regardless of how many times I explained how to mark the cylinder, and how to calculate the MOD (in case they had forgotten and were embarassed) they would not write on the bloody cylinder!
Week 8 when I had an intentional man over board, at night, on a boat with no rescue equipment (it was not our boat, and was not being used for diving at the time)
This wasn't training, this was an idiot.
Week 8 when I could not pull one of the dive instructors into the dive boat unassisted. If they are heavy, and do not have an bouncy buoyant exposure suit on, I now know that I have to leave them in their buoyancy jacket, while I get into the boat, then I can haul them up, ish.

Don't be encouraged by or sold on extras
useful or exciting extras that will make you more employable...like O2 Admin, equipment familiarity, compressor operation etc.
If you are keen, ask questions and assist, then you will learn these things during your spell as DM anyways.
With regards to O2 administration... this is simple, but a must have, and a good dive instructor should be able to spend a little time showing you the operation of the centre's O2 kit without charging you. It would be foolish of the centre not to ensure your familiarity with their own setup as it is an important safety feature. The assemble when required, constant flow only kit we used in the philippines was completely different to the presetup in a tube kit I am used to in the UK.

Some centres will also cite, free dives! and free personalised t-shirts!
(wooo! what is this summer camp?) you're there to be a professional diver, and will probably get a t-shirt anyways. If not, and you want a t-shirt, print your own. I bought a shirt for <£1 and a local guy printed it for... <£0.50.

Also, don't get carried away with the location and thinking about cheap free dives. The DM course should not include cheap free dives as when you are diving you have responsibility to the divers you are with. Your eye is on the divers more than it is on the whale shark or manta rays. Of course if you are guiding a dive then the divers expect flora and fauna of interest to be pointed out but always be aware of your divers.
Therefore if you are lucky enough to actually get a free dive or two, use them to clue up on the local wildlife, and practise your demo dive skills and rescue scenarios.
My instructor took me on a 'free' dive where I (we) were challenged with finding 10 species of shrimp. I think we found 8-9, but over time on that site, I added another 3-4. From that point on, all I could find were shrimp, but I could maybe only have found 3 species before our shrimpy dive.

Don't be deterred if a dive centre considers your disinterest in making money/being an instructor as a negative
... that attitude screams PADI, and they're probably just sad because you don't want to spend more money on learning how to teach people how to snorkel.
I too am not out to make the jump to instructor. I have a lot of problems with the professional dive industry and am not sure where I would slot in as a rookie DM. I do however, like you, want to be a more informed, skilled, and personally reponsible diver, who can take on planning and managerial roles within my sports club, and generally be more useful and dependable.
 
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I don't particularly agree with this post. I think you will get much more, in terms of applicable experience in advanced conditions, out of doing the DM away from Bali; or at least away from Blue Season. They are a fine shop, don't get me wrong, but you will have a most tame experience with them and hitting the standards of Crystal Bay, Manta Point, SD, TP, Tulamben, etc. Plus: a month in Sanur?? I'd rather drown! LOL. I would work a deal with Two Fish to split the month over their Bunaken and Lembeh locations - this would give you a fairly well rounded experience - and they are the cheapest in the area.
On the other hand, my advice on this is always the same: For a real EDUCATION in dive leadership, Komodo can't be beat. That's the most difficult commercially viable dive destination I know of and it's dirt cheap. I lead about 20 trips a year; mostly in R4 and Komodo. When I have free time... I still dive Komodo most. Plenty of pelagics, macro, action, night dives that won't put you to sleep or into hypothermia for lack of activity... you just have to put in the time. I see posts on here that there are limitations to Komodo. There ARE NOT! You just have to put in the time. Orcas and blue whales are even regular visitors! And if you aren't lucky like that... the average dive is still better than anything around Bali, Bunaken, the Similans, etc. Try Dive Komodo. They have the experience in the area and have good relations with many liveaboards that they may be able to put you on for part of the time. Living on a boat for a month while doing your DM is unlikely; as this is not financially beneficial to the operator. The only one that might do it is the outfit that owns the Charlie and the Mona Lisa... but I don't know which website is theirs vs. all the agents'.

Why do you feel that he would have a tame time if his DM was conducted in Bali? i had a fantastic time learning about the great diving in Nusa Penida with currents, beautiful reef life and giant Pelagics. Not only that but the guiding workshops that were conducted around the macro sites were brilliant as well, really learning how to guide!

Go Bali!

P
 

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