Dive Team Logos

[Gary D.]

How much extra weight do you need to dive with your PFD? Do wear it over or under your BC? I noticed in your profile pic you are all suited up, within 10' of the water, and NO ONE is wearing thier PFD

If we were selling shirts side by side and for the same cause, who do you think would sell more shirts?

You have a point, but if you look closer, the one closest to the water is suited up while the gal and I are about at that 10' limit. The rest of the team are fine. Besides it was a controlled photo op and not training or an operation.

As far as selling the shirts it depends on which area you'd be in. People tend to support the "local" team.

 

[oneshotshooter]

You have a point, but if you look closer, the one closest to the water is suited up while the gal and I are about at that 10' limit. The rest of the team are fine. Besides it was a controlled photo op and not training or an operation.

As far as selling the shirts it depends on which area you'd be in. People tend to support the "local" team.

I meant being on the same team supporting the same cause. Thanks for the feedback on the logo. I had considered the point you and others made while designing the logo & was sensitve to that subject. It is a very toned down version while still providing some flash and excitement along with the associated dangers of what we do. And no, freshwater sturgeons are not dangerous, and yes they are sharks. There is even some treasure hunting subleties .

I have always had issue with the PFD mentality, nothing personal. Alot of time common sense seems to go out the window. For example, you are doing training ice diving. There is 30+ inches of good solid ice, I drove my three-quarter ton super duty diesel to the dive site, all divers are fully suited up in their dry suits, why would we wear PFD's? Maybe my dry suit is different, but I can't sink when I wear it. I have done some free diving in it. It was a workout to get down 15 feet to pick up the down rigger ball that I spotted! Even with picking up that lead I still floated like a cork! I breached the water like nuclear class submarine! Ice diving aside, a suited up diver is in a full body PFD. That is why we need weights to submerge. As far as a PFD keeping a suited up diver upright, I think a diver needs to be comfortable enough in his gear without a PFD. If not, I think he needs more time in the water.

 

[Gary D.]

Lets hear your definition of Fully Suited. Mine as well as others is going to be ready to dive and not just with a dry suit on. If you are not ready to dive the PFD goes on. If you are getting ready or are ready to dive it’s off. I guess you have never seen or had a fully flooded dry suit and seen just how difficult it can be to handle. Another reason would be to keep a diver upright should they become unconscious for some reason like hitting their head on the boat, ice or other object.

 

[oneshotshooter]

Lets hear your definition of Fully Suited. Dry suit on fully zipped up with rock boots on


Another reason would be to keep a diver upright should they become unconscious for some reason like hitting their head on the boat, ice or other object.

That is where the safety helmet in the logo comes in JK. That is a good point that I hadn't considered. Not enough of a reason for me to start wearing one though. Course then again my harness is built in too. I guess I would be considered a "young diver". I am willing to accept changes in technology and incorporate them into my diving. Take nitrox for example, AKA "Voodoo Gas". At one time it was considered dangerous! I think there people who still do.This is just my opinion, I am not saying it is right for everyone, but it works for me. The thing I disagree with is when someone says you have to wear a harness on top of your harness or silly things like that because it is the way things have always been done. Or you are within 10' of water, you have to wear your PFD! Change can be a good thing.

Back on topic, sorry about the distraction. Whose shirts would sell more?

 

[james croft]

Normally safety precausions are imposed after the fact. Usually they result after a person has gotten killed in a manner which could have been prevented by adherence to safety protocols.

I have been employed on the water for thirty years as a cop and PSD and recovered a lot of drowned people during this time. None of them were wearing a PFD.

 

[sardiverdan]

For us our boat drivers and surface support people who are at the waters edge wear them. Have not had a diver pull a line tender in the water yet but I have seen some close calls. For our divers, once they have a wetsuit on they are not required to wear a PFD. I know what you mean when trying to change from air to EAN. We had to wait until our old leader moved on before we could finally make the switch. For us its not as much of an issue with just "old school" divers. Many of us are old school; however, we have stayed up with the latest developments in diving and understand the benefits of EAN over air.

 

[Cave Diver]

It is a very toned down version while still providing some flash and excitement along with the associated dangers of what we do.

I may be out of line with this comment and I'm not a PSD. It's a cool logo, but I think that "flash and excitement" or how well the shirts would sell aren't what the job should be about. I've seen a lot of posts from Gary and others about what they do and have a lot of respect for the guys that quietly do a job that is no way enviable.

 

[Gary D.]

That is where the safety helmet in the logo comes in JK. That is a good point that I hadn't considered. Not enough of a reason for me to start wearing one though. If you were on my team and you refused to wear it when it was required you'd be looking at a position other than one on the team.Course then again my harness is built in too. I guess I would be considered a "young diver". I am willing to accept changes in technology and incorporate them into my diving.You have no idea as to how many changes have been made in the past 50 years Take nitrox for example, AKA "Voodoo Gas". At one time it was considered dangerous! I think there people who still do.This is just my opinion, I am not saying it is right for everyone, but it works for me.All air is NITROX. What causes the problem is the percentages. For a recovery team use it but for a rescue team mixes over 21% could be very dangerous so we don't use it. The thing I disagree with is when someone says you have to wear a harness on top of your harness or silly things like that because it is the way things have always been done. Or you are within 10' of water, you have to wear your PFD! Change can be a good thing.

Back on topic, sorry about the distraction. Whose shirts would sell more?

Personally I don't care. If we aren't training, a fund raiser or other event my shirts stay home. My wife sleeps in them quite often. We just don't need to run around town beating our chests. Lets go do the job and go home quietly.

 

[oneshotshooter]

Normally safety precausions are imposed after the fact. Usually they result after a person has gotten killed in a manner which could have been prevented by adherence to safety protocols.

I have been employed on the water for thirty years as a cop and PSD and recovered a lot of drowned people during this time. None of them were wearing a PFD.

Were any of them in a full drysuit or wetsuit? I understand safety protocol.....

 

[james croft]

None were in a full drysuit or wetsuit. I did have four friends who were driving a patrol boat and ran into a large set of pilings in the dark which destroyed their boat and hurt them so badly that they would have drowned except they all had on PFDs. A PFD allows you to float face up when unconcious or injured. A drysuit or wetsuit will not do that. My buddies credit their lives to a policy that they had to wear a PFD. I know what you are saying but I would rather be conservative and adhere to safety protocols than to see a death that could have been prevented.