din vs yoke, reg marketing miss?

[scuga]

Bare with me I am really close to pulling the trigger a few questions if you please.

It seems to me that a din to yoke adapter looks a lot like a reg with just a yoke adapter. Why don't people just by din regs and use adapters for yoke? Why is yoke even an option why don't they just make all din regs and sell with yoke adapters?

Second what regulators fronts can be taken off at depth. Is atomic the only one (the cave ring) to market this? What other regulators can you clean at depth?

Thanks

Also is a turret on the first stage dir and is a swivel hose on the second stage dir?

 

[crowleyW]

Adapter might make the reg touch back of your head cos it moves bit closer . So if you are only diving with yoke tanks, that might get bit anoying in a long run

 

[SailNaked]

all of my regulators are Din and I have adapters. the adapter adds a little weight at the top of the Tank and I need this as my legs are stones. and yes it makes it a little longer so sometimes it can hit me in the head if I look up.

 

[scuga]

Adapter might make the reg touch back of your head cos it moves bit closer . So if you are only diving with yoke tanks, that might get bit anoying in a long run

Thanks for the info would a sta negate the adapter?

 

[crowleyW]

Thanks for the info would a sta negate the adapter?

Yes. And like i said it might touch your head. Some are complaining about that and some are not

 

[CalgaryDF]

Bare with me I am really close to pulling the trigger a few questions if you please.

It seems to me that a din to yoke adapter looks a lot like a reg with just a yoke adapter. Why don't people just by din regs and use adapters for yoke? Why is yoke even an option why don't they just make all din regs and sell with yoke adapters?

Second what regulators fronts can be taken off at depth. Is atomic the only one (the cave ring) to market this? What other regulators can you clean at depth?

Thanks

Also is a turret on the first stage dir and is a swivel hose on the second stage dir?

I know that the Dive Rite regulators are easy to unscrew by hand. I don't know if they are supposed to be taken apart at depth but I can't really see why not. I would imagine that there are a number of regs with similar design that can be easily unscrewed by hand so you probably just have to look around a little bit.

 

[=C=]

I think most regs that have an unscrewable front can be "taken off " at depth. Mares has a locking pin but you could dive without it.... the same goes with old USD, some SP, and Tusa regs... Is there a reason why you are interested? Just look fro a design where the face comes off and the "lock ring" is not hard to unscrew. You could could use a qd on the second stage and gain the ability to swap them if you really wanted to but all of this is a trainwreck in the making.

as for the adapters... if you live in the USA and rent tanks odds are that they are all yoke anyway. Why complicate things? If an oring is going to pop it will probably happen on the surface not underwater where there is a ton of external pressure working to keep it in place.

 

[miketsp]

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Second what regulators fronts can be taken off at depth. Is atomic the only one (the cave ring) to market this? What other regulators can you clean at depth?

Thanks
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Don't make the mistake I already made of dismantling a reg at 35m and then screw it all back together tight.
When I remounted it, the rubber diaphragm cover was being compressed by the pressure at depth. So it worked fine for the rest of the dive but when I got back to the surface it was impossible to dismantle it.
I had to go down again to be able to unscrew the cap and the retaining ring.

 

[spyder]

As several have said, yoke adaptors can push the first stage closer to your head. It also adds another potential failure point.

 

[bamamedic]

As several have said, yoke adaptors can push the first stage closer to your head. It also adds another potential failure point.

I totally get the "moves the first stage closer to your head" bit, as it can be annoying as hell to constantly whack one's head on a first stage, but how is a DIN adaptor adding a failure point? Sure, any gear can fail, but a DIN-to-yoke adaptor just screws right onto your DIN first stage and adds a bit of extra metal. No extra O-rings to fail, or bits of gadgetry to go bonkers. I guess it could add a failure point in that, if you forget it and you need it, you can't use your regulator on yoke cylinders, or maybe the extra bit of length might catch on something, but that's all I can think of.

At any rate, pick the first stage that works best with your diving....if you're going to be primarily diving yoke cylinders or standard rental cylinders, then there's no need for the DIN fitting. Having a DIN regulator and yoke adaptor is just one more piece of gear to forget, and there's the potential "clunk you in the back of the head" issue.

If you're thinking of picking up technical training someday, or purchasing your own cylinders and would prefer the DIN configuration, then that makes perfect sense to have a DIN reg with yoke adaptor for now. All my regs are DIN, and it makes sense for the kind of diving I do, but I hate having to thread the 300 bar reg onto my cylinder...seems to take forever

The purge cover on my Atomic regs can be taken off if needed, even without the cave ring (it just takes a little finesse and some careful rethreading). My Dive Rite reg has a ring already in place around the purge cover that makes taking it off easier.

I don't know if a swivel turret on the first stage is "DIR"...you might get better answers if you posted it in the "DIR" forum. I'm darn near certain that a swivel on the second stage wouldn't be OK, because they generally do add extra failure points (extra O rings, and there are anecdotes out there about some kinds of swivels falling apart), and if you have the correct length hoses, you'll find that swivels aren't usually needed.